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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #925 on: October 31, 2013, 04:50:52 pm »
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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #927 on: October 31, 2013, 05:27:53 pm »
heyman says we're looking at him:

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24166384/nationals-among-many-teams-looking-at-jacoby-ellsbury

Then it's pretty much a guarantee we're not getting him. Rizzo's moves are never seen before hand. He operates in the shadows. He is born of the darkness.


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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #928 on: October 31, 2013, 06:02:17 pm »
Then it's pretty much a guarantee we're not getting him. Rizzo's moves are never seen before hand. He operates in the shadows. He is born of the darkness.
which is why we picked up THE WHITE NINJA!

I do not think a 6 year contract for the decline phase of a 10 - 15HR base stealing leadoff hitter makes sense for a team that has Span under control for cheap for the next couple of years.  Heyman saying the Nats are interested is pretty much the wink and nod to Boras ("Hey, Mike, ok if I say you and I spoke about Ellsbury?  I need to make people think that a rich guy's team is interested."  "Sure Scott, you can even say "Werth money" if you like.")

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #929 on: October 31, 2013, 09:33:24 pm »
Then it's pretty much a guarantee we're not getting him. Rizzo's moves are never seen before hand. He operates in the shadows. He is born of the darkness.

Wasn't Williams pretty much a given?

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #930 on: October 31, 2013, 09:35:12 pm »
Wasn't Williams pretty much a given?

We were hoping that he could play 1st Base...

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #931 on: October 31, 2013, 09:50:43 pm »
We were hoping that he could play 1st Base...

Gotta be somewhere for him near the bag.  Back back up or perhaps just sit on ALRs shoulders. 

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #932 on: October 31, 2013, 09:52:44 pm »
which is why we picked up THE WHITE NINJA!

I do not think a 6 year contract for the decline phase of a 10 - 15HR base stealing leadoff hitter makes sense for a team that has Span under control for cheap for the next couple of years.  Heyman saying the Nats are interested is pretty much the wink and nod to Boras ("Hey, Mike, ok if I say you and I spoke about Ellsbury?  I need to make people think that a rich guy's team is interested."  "Sure Scott, you can even say "Werth money" if you like.")

yup that's all this is

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #933 on: October 31, 2013, 09:56:46 pm »
Hell no on Ellsbury. Let Seattle get desperate and give $150 million.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #934 on: October 31, 2013, 11:03:38 pm »
The only way I can even see Ellsbury in a Nats uni at this point is if the Nats trade Span.  Span probably has a bit more value after his second half and 29 game hitting streak plus he is signed to a very affordable deal.  Doesn't make sense to have two leadoff guys who are both lefties.  I'd say that Ellsbury or Choo are highly unlikely unless Span is traded.  As for what he would be traded for, I have no idea though.  I don't think any team is going to trade a 1B for a all glove average bat CF and prospects.  Maybe a pitcher, but the only two worth going after (and one is only a huge rumor) would be Scherzer or Price.  Tigers don't need Span and although the Rays would be a fit for Span in CF moving Jennings over to LF, I don't see Span as being worth enough to offset the value of a high end prospect that the Nats don't have.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #935 on: November 01, 2013, 06:58:36 am »
Trade Span to the Mariners for one of their pitching prospects. Sign Ellsbury.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #936 on: November 01, 2013, 09:31:35 am »
Looks like Bourjous and/or Trumbo might be available.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/10/angels-willing-to-trade-bourjos-trumbo-for-pitching.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
I used to be a huge Bourjos fan, but Span has solidified himself as our CFer. He is a consistent plus fielder who is able to be a contributor even when he is on cold streaks offensively.

Tyler Moore can give Trumbo like contributions.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #937 on: November 01, 2013, 09:33:42 am »
I want to see Kobernus or Perez on the bench next season as the 25th guy.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #938 on: November 01, 2013, 09:57:29 am »
I honestly don't think we need any big splashy type moves. We need to shore up the 'pen and bench, and maybe add a veteran 4th/5th starter.

The big question is 1B. Do we go with Laroach again and hope he repeats 2012 or bring in a righty to platoon with him? Or maybe have Moore platoon?

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #939 on: November 01, 2013, 11:24:24 am »
While this article is mostly an evatluation of the contributions of rookies to each team in 2013, it has some good comments on the importance of depth and a bench.

After discussing the Blue Jays and the impacts of injuriesand down years from expected contributors, Hulet notes:
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Some big league organizations can easily rebound from catastrophe that was the Jays’ 2013 season. The Cardinals, for example, reached the World Series in ’13 while regularly utilizing seven rookies. The Dodgers reached the National League Championship Series despite injuries to key veterans Hanley Ramirez and Matt Kemp, thanks to strong contributions from June call-up Yasiel Puig and Korean import Hyun-Jin Ryu.

Strong depth is imperative for clubs looking to remain competitive for an entire 162-game schedule. Some clubs are better at squeezing every ounce of juice out of their minor league system than others. Minor league depth is also cyclical and varies for each organization from year to year. Miami utilized 23 rookies in 2013 but, with many of those graduating from their freshman status, it’s hard to envision the organization trotting out anywhere near that many first-year players in 2014.

He rates rookie contributions based on WAR, innings, at bats, and raw number of rookies on the roster.  He ranked the Nats 18th.

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The sixth overall selection of the 2011 draft, Rendon (1.5, 394) finally put forth a relatively healthy season. No other first-year hitter compiled more than 50 at-bats. On the mound, two under-the-radar arms had positive impacts: Tanner Roark (1.4, 53.2) and Taylor Jordan (0.7, 51.2).

More generally, he observed:
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Six of the top seven teams came from the National League. Clearly, teams can be successful heavily relying on inexperienced players or veterans. Five of the 10 playoffs teams ranked among the Top 12 teams while the other four post-season-bound clubs ranked among the bottom 10. The final club, the A’s, fell smack in the middle of the ranking at 15th.

After so many graduations in 2011 and 2012, last year was sort of a breather for the system.  The impact of that on the team was that, when the bench faltered, there was not much of a pick up from call ups. 

One important area for this team is to add depth to its high minors and bench so that we have adequate options for when the inevitable injury happens.  Maybe that means retaining an Espinosa to be Desi's back up, and playing Walters every day in AAA to be available if Rendon or RZ goes down, and bringing in veterans for the last couple of bench slots (or maybe shuffling  Eury / Kobs on and off the roster and bringing in a vet).  Sign as many viable bullpen arms as you can.  Play the rotation depth by ear again.

No big trades.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #940 on: November 01, 2013, 11:34:22 am »
This high minors should look better this year, in addition to the guys you listed, Cole, Skole, Goodwin, and Hood could all end up in AAA by the end of the year

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #941 on: November 01, 2013, 12:34:33 pm »
Arbitration Eligibles: Washington Nationals

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Jordan Zimmermann (4.154): $10.5MM
Ian Desmond (4.027): $6.9MM
Tyler Clippard (4.148): $6.2MM
Drew Storen (3.086): $3.6MM
Stephen Strasburg (3.118): $3.9MM
Ross Detwiler (4.002): $2.8MM
Wilson Ramos (3.047): $2.1MM
Ross Ohlendorf (4.170): $1.3MM

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/10/arbitration-eligibles-washington-nationals.html

I'm thinking everyone but Ohlendorf gets offered arbitration (he's a tossup).

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #942 on: November 01, 2013, 01:00:52 pm »
Sweet Jesus, JZ's really going to get 10 million?

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #943 on: November 01, 2013, 01:07:40 pm »
Sweet Jesus, JZ's really going to get 10 million?
He's worth $15M+

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #944 on: November 01, 2013, 01:12:14 pm »
Sweet Jesus, JZ's really going to get 10 million?

third time through, each time, you get closer to fair value

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #945 on: November 01, 2013, 01:14:32 pm »
Arbitration looks heavily at traditional stats, like ERA and wins.  JZ has repeated a couple of very good full seasons of low ERA, and he was a 19 game winner.  That makes his case pretty strong. 

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« Reply #946 on: November 01, 2013, 01:32:06 pm »
Arbitration looks heavily at traditional stats, like ERA and wins.  JZ has repeated a couple of very good full seasons of low ERA, and he was a 19 game winner.  That makes his case pretty strong.

They only consider officially recognized statistics in arbitration. Same goes for awards.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #947 on: November 01, 2013, 02:11:49 pm »
Man, I just don't see a team trying to win now with an old(er) owner going with ALR at 1B in what could be a big year. I just don't see it.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #948 on: November 01, 2013, 02:30:34 pm »
Man, I just don't see a team trying to win now with an old(er) owner going with ALR at 1B in what could be a big year. I just don't see it.

the season really revolves around harper's development. if he stays healthy and hits like we know he can, our offense will be good. if not then this year will repeat itself. i also expect some improvement from rendon on both sides so that should benefit us as well.

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« Reply #949 on: November 01, 2013, 02:34:57 pm »
Man, I just don't see a team trying to win now with an old(er) owner going with ALR at 1B in what could be a big year. I just don't see it.
Because he's not the key to the team.  They didn't lose games because of ALR, they lost it because they couldn't hold leads and got nothing from their bench or back of the rotation.  If those pieces performed at 2012 levels, it might have been a different season.