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Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2400 on: December 16, 2013, 11:29:36 am »
Griffen is going to get at least one more season, I wouldn't expect much more than that though. He's here for two more years with a team option for the fifth that has to be exercised after year 3- if he sucks next year would they do it? You also have cousins who is only here for two more years, if you give Griffen next year, then you get one year to find out if you are keeping cousins (at a then very expensive price since he'd otherwise be a free agent). Or you can waste another high draft pick on another QB and start again (because 7 picks on QB over that past four years some wouldn't have been enough).

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2401 on: December 16, 2013, 11:46:49 am »
I don't think Griffin is tradable right now, cause quite frankly no one else would probably want him. So you gotta trade Kirk.

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2402 on: December 16, 2013, 11:48:01 am »
:lol:

Because he had a bad season on a terrible team after he missed an entire offseason?

Kirk Cousins should have been starting at the beginning of this season when RGIII just wasn't ready. Could have prevented a lot of this. By the time RGIII could move around a bit the season was for all intents and purposes over.

Because he clearly can't run an actual offense. RGIII being able to move or not move has nothing to do with it. He simply does not have the innate skills a QB develops as a pocket passer. He doesn't make pre-snap reads. He doesn't read defensive development. He doesn't work through progressions and receiver route trees. He is not an NFL QB. He is an option QB that got away with it last year because of the Pistol wrinkle formation. This season, defenses have adjusted. Hence why Kapernick got off to such a poor start. Once he started developing more pocket awareness and ability, the 49ers offense started to click.

It's pretty clear that giving up so much for Griffin was a mistake. He will not last that long in the NFL. He is going to struggle this year and probably most of next year, to learn how to become a pocket passer. And ultimately, you will have to find some way to adapt his abilities instead of his abilities augmenting the current status of NFL offenses. This is a pocket passer league.  By giving up so much, the Redskins have hurt themselves by not having any talent, which was only more detrimental by the salary cap penalties. As much as I love the idea of taking Griffin and molding him in to a passer, this team would have been just as suited staying back and taking Tannehill, Foles, Wilson, or even Cousins. Heck, they take Foles or Wilson in the third round, you're looking at some very healthy 2012, 2013 drafts. Blackmon, Clairborne, Kuechly, Dontari Poe and/or Barron, would have all been on the board in the first round. Janoris Jenkins or Alshon Jeffery were there in the second. Then in 2013, we would have had a Top 15 pick, most likely, leaving you with some options to improve the offensive line, grab a receiver, or take secondary help

2012: Poe and Jeffery/Jenkins
2013: Hayden, Reid, or Trufant/Pugh

That's an impressive gathering of talent for a team that has so little. We have a true NT that can really push the middle, leaving Cofield to play DE. This would pretty much vastly improve our defense. Secondary or receiver improvement as well. Our QB is finally developing into what we hoped and now he has weapons to throw to, an offensive line that gives him more than 2 seconds, and a defense that won't automatically start him 28 points in the hole.

Griffen is going to get at least one more season, I wouldn't expect much more than that though. He's here for two more years with a team option for the fifth that has to be exercised after year 3- if he sucks next year would they do it? You also have cousins who is only here for two more years, if you give Griffen next year, then you get one year to find out if you are keeping cousins (at a then very expensive price since he'd otherwise be a free agent). Or you can waste another high draft pick on another QB and start again (because 7 picks on QB over that past four years some wouldn't have been enough).


Yes, we know he will be the guy. And given that we gave up so much for him, I understand it. But you know that as soon as Griffin struggles next season, and he will, we'll be clamoring for Kirk if he doesn't get traded.

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2403 on: December 16, 2013, 11:48:13 am »
Shoulda started Cousins from the start. Not saying we'd be in the playoff hunt but it certainly would have made the season more bearable to watch.

Cousins is gonna knock the Cowboys out this Sunday.

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2404 on: December 16, 2013, 12:37:58 pm »
I don't think Griffin is tradable right now, cause quite frankly no one else would probably want him. So you gotta trade Kirk.

You're probably right but for the hell of it, if you were the GM of an NFL team searching for a QB what would you give up for the rights to acquire someone who possesses "all the tools to be a star QB" "has a cannon for an arm, can extend plays, and up until this year he was very accurate with the ball and didn't make many mental mistakes" and "has the potential to be a star"?

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2405 on: December 16, 2013, 12:39:08 pm »

Cousins is gonna knock the Cowboys out this Sunday.

That will probably elevate him to cult status in some circles.

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2406 on: December 16, 2013, 12:40:26 pm »
Everyone always loves the backup QB who comes in and plays well against poor competition late in the season.

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2407 on: December 16, 2013, 12:42:40 pm »
Everyone always loves the backup QB who comes in and plays well against poor competition late in the season.

Like Brady and Roethlisberger (even though a little earlier in the season)?     :couch:

This'll probably get me flamed but I think Cousins has more upside as an NFL QB than Griffin.    I mean but what the hell, I liked Bradshaw over Hanratty and Gilliam too.   :)

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2408 on: December 16, 2013, 01:35:39 pm »
it is crazy that so many people have already given up on RGIII fir Kirk Cousins, the starter of two whole games in the NFL with more turnovers than TD passes.

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2409 on: December 16, 2013, 01:46:59 pm »
it is crazy that so many people have already given up on RGIII fir Kirk Cousins, the starter of two whole games in the NFL with more turnovers than TD passes.

I'm an "outsider" so I have no dog in the fight.    Even though I wish him well, I was never "sold" on Griffin, especially considering what it took to get him.    We all overvalue our teams' players.     I thought the Steelers were gonna win the NFC North.     :hysterical:

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2410 on: December 16, 2013, 01:55:17 pm »
You're probably right but for the hell of it, if you were the GM of an NFL team searching for a QB what would you give up for the rights to acquire someone who possesses "all the tools to be a star QB" "has a cannon for an arm, can extend plays, and up until this year he was very accurate with the ball and didn't make many mental mistakes" and "has the potential to be a star"?
Probably 5 first rounders.

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« Reply #2411 on: December 16, 2013, 01:56:49 pm »
it is crazy that so many people have already given up on RGIII fir Kirk Cousins, the starter of two whole games in the NFL with more turnovers than TD passes.

everything about this team is crazy- has a healthy starting QB every been shut down to preserve their health

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2412 on: December 16, 2013, 01:57:23 pm »
We should just trade RGIII and Cousins for a ton of picks and just let Rex Grossman throw balls up for grabs and see how that works out.

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2413 on: December 16, 2013, 01:57:46 pm »
everything about this team is crazy- has a healthy starting QB every been shut down to preserve their health
We don't even know for sure that he's healthy

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2414 on: December 16, 2013, 01:59:12 pm »
We don't even know for sure that he's healthy

we know he hasn't appeared on injury reports and that noone has said anything to the contrary

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2415 on: December 16, 2013, 02:09:34 pm »
Probably 5 first rounders.

It was a serious question. I used your words describing his talent.

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2416 on: December 16, 2013, 02:18:55 pm »
It was a serious question. I used your words describing his talent.
You're right, maybe 6 first rounders would get the deal done.

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2417 on: December 16, 2013, 02:20:08 pm »
We don't even know for sure that he's healthy

:lmao: 

it is crazy that so many people have already given up on RGIII fir Kirk Cousins, the starter of two whole games in the NFL with more turnovers than TD passes.

:smh:  Given that Cousins has two starts that stat is ridiculous. You can have a bad game in two starts and that is enough to mess up that stat. Griffin has played 29 games and has only 2 more TD's than turnovers. That's actually alarming.


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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2418 on: December 16, 2013, 02:21:48 pm »
You're right, maybe 6 first rounders would get the deal done.

OK my bad dude. I don't know why you got all bent out of shape by me using your own words.  :rofl:

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Offline madj55

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2420 on: December 16, 2013, 02:30:59 pm »
OK my bad dude. I don't know why you got all bent out of shape by me using your own words.  :rofl:
Yeah, no one is bent out of shape here! There just isn't any point in seriously responding to those posts of yours cause you're just gonna post these  :rofl:  :hysterical: anyway so I figured I'd save myself the time

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2421 on: December 16, 2013, 02:34:38 pm »
Kyle goes under the bus:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24375961/kyle-shanahan-staff-inexperience-at-core-of-redskins-dysfunction

Mike is leaking crap, nice to see Griffen/snyder/allen or whoever returning the favor, but that article really is a great hatchet job

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2422 on: December 16, 2013, 02:40:32 pm »
If only Kyle was a good play caller for both halves of a football game.

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2423 on: December 16, 2013, 02:45:02 pm »

Kyle Shanahan is scheduled to make $1.5MM next year?  That alone should be grounds to get someone fired...

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Re: Washington Redskins thread (2013)
« Reply #2424 on: December 16, 2013, 02:50:26 pm »
Cooley again said today the prevailing wisdom is that Shanahan returns next year but with new coordinators.