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In what regard? Football (?) Basketball? Academics? Thugs? Number of people who think VT matters? Maybe the flagship 15 years ago. Those days are gone.

Slateman · « **Reply #1580 on:** November 18, 2013, 12:10:26 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on November 18, 2013, 11:53:33 am

state flagship school for virginia

Not in sports. And, frankly, most of Northern Virginia wants to become Maryland.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #1581 on:** November 18, 2013, 12:15:12 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on November 18, 2013, 12:10:26 pm

Not in sports. And, frankly, most of Northern Virginia wants to become Maryland.

I can't think of anyone here who wants to be MD

Quote from: mitlen on November 18, 2013, 11:59:08 am

In what regard? Football (?) Basketball? Academics? Thugs? Number of people who think VT matters? Maybe the flagship 15 years ago. Those days are gone.

In not having a direction or tech as part of their name

mitlen · « **Reply #1582 on:** November 18, 2013, 12:29:28 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on November 18, 2013, 12:15:12 pm

I can't think of anyone here who wants to be MD

You got that right.

Wth the growth in enrollment, academic standing and athletics of schools like George Mason, James Madison, VCU, Old Dominon, etc., Virginia was a wealth of good schools. Virginia and Virginia Tech may lead the commonwealth in some regards but neither is a flagship anymore.

Slateman · « **Reply #1583 on:** November 18, 2013, 12:30:02 pm »

If VT isn't the flagship university of DC area sports, than no Virginia team is.

mitlen · « **Reply #1584 on:** November 18, 2013, 12:32:17 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on November 18, 2013, 12:30:02 pm

If VT isn't the flagship university of DC area sports, than no Virginia team is.

Virginia generally and Northern Virginia specifically get little DC area sports coverage anyway. If you listen to the local media, you'd think basketball was invented at GT or MD and there's only traffic backups in MD and on 95S in VA. Same situation as the VT flagship point of view ... Montgomery CO can't keep pace with Loudoun or Fairfax, PG is PG and UMD is a has been athletic power. Can't wait for them to get into the B10. Hell, Illinois will get more local coverage than VT.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #1585 on:** November 18, 2013, 12:34:28 pm »

Quote from: mitlen on November 18, 2013, 12:32:17 pm

Virginia generally and Northern Virginia specifically get little DC area sports coverage anyway. If you listen to the local media, you'd think basketball was invented at GT or MD and there's only traffic backups in MD and on 95S in VA.

yep. Radio ignoring virginia schools (expert broadcasting VT football- not mentioning them during the week, but broadcasting their games) is why I delight in MD losing

Slateman · « **Reply #1586 on:** November 18, 2013, 12:38:18 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on November 18, 2013, 12:34:28 pm

yep. Radio ignoring virginia schools (expert broadcasting VT football- not mentioning them during the week, but broadcasting their games) is why I delight in MD losing

WJFK has a ghey VT football show on Mondays. I hate it. But, then again, I despise Virginia Tech. Mainly because of their fans and how they try to sell VT as being a legit football program and Beemer being a great coach. It isn't. He's not. Get over it.

mitlen · « **Reply #1587 on:** November 18, 2013, 12:42:36 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on November 18, 2013, 12:34:28 pm

yep. Radio ignoring virginia schools (expert broadcasting VT football- not mentioning them during the week, but broadcasting their games) is why I delight in MD losing

One of the great gifts of Al Gore's internet is I can follow news/sports from sources outside this area. I know 4, 5, 7, 9, WTOP, WJFK, etc. are what they are. Their main focus is the 'skins and the next storm. I get stories/news from other places online.

Smithian · « **Reply #1588 on:** November 18, 2013, 12:49:04 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on November 18, 2013, 11:50:05 am

He isn't developing. He isn't getting better. He's regressing. It's obvious that he has no idea how to approach and prep for an NFL game. Cam Newton was a more refined passer than RG3. He also had a playbook at Auburn.

As an SEC fan and an Arkansas fan....

The Auburn offense is not an NFL type offense. Gus Malzahn's strategy is get the biggest, fastest guy the ball and get out of his way. It works when you have players, but don't confuse success with complexity.

Also, lack of a hard copy playbook does not mean Baylor runs a free for all "run deep" offense. It means the coaches know many players don't look at it enough and instead drill down on repetition, film, and on field work. The high school I was at had a pro style offense with numerous motions, different protections, personnel packages, formation shifts, and all the jazz, but no playbook was ever used. No doubt in my mind a college coach with more time could install an offense without a playbook. Baylor proves that. RGIII is smart enough to understand a playbook. Certainly a heck of a lot smarter than Cam Newton.

Here is Cam Newton breaking down that big Auburn playbook;

Slateman · « **Reply #1589 on:** November 18, 2013, 01:21:33 pm »

Quote from: Smithian on November 18, 2013, 12:49:04 pm

As an SEC fan and an Arkansas fan.... The Auburn offense is not an NFL type offense. Gus Malzahn's strategy is get the biggest, fastest guy the ball and get out of his way. It works when you have players, but don't confuse success with complexity.

Also, lack of a hard copy playbook does not mean Baylor runs a free for all "run deep" offense. It means the coaches know many players don't look at it enough and instead drill down on repetition, film, and on field work. The high school I was at had a pro style offense with numerous motions, different protections, personnel packages, formation shifts, and all the jazz, but no playbook was ever used. No doubt in my mind a college coach with more time could install an offense without a playbook. Baylor proves that. RGIII is smart enough to understand a playbook. Certainly a heck of a lot smarter than Cam Newton.

Here is Cam Newton breaking down that big Auburn playbook;

Still more of a playbook than Griffin had. Is Griffin smart enough? Because if he is, why doesn't he know it after one and a half seasons? Why is he getting worse instead of better?

Slateman · « **Reply #1590 on:** November 18, 2013, 01:22:08 pm »

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/11/18/report-shanahan-wanted-tannehill-not-rgiii/

It's Stephen A Smith, but honestly, I could totally buy it.

spidernat · « **Reply #1591 on:** November 18, 2013, 01:23:31 pm »

I don't even know if Auburn had a playbook but that doesn't excuse Griffin's awful play. The dude is limited as a QB. I remember seeing him in college and posting that he doesn't make reads/decisions quickly enough and two years into an NFL career and the same holds true. Watching Foles anticipate routes and throwing the ball to spots before receivers were at the designated spots is embarrassing. Griffin severely limits the playcalling because he can't see blitzes coming (even when teams blitz on back to back plays with the same identical blitz

), at times he doesn't drop back far enough (leading to so many tipped passes), he lacks pocket awareness (when teams blitz he hangs on to the ball far too long and he often steps into pressure) and I laugh at the morons who insist he is not a running QB and is an accurate pocket passer.

Today some of the same idiots who clamor about "abandoning the run" are saying they should've thrown the ball more in the first half because they were down a few scores.

crap the end of that game was like the way you expect a Rx Grossman game to end. But at least with Grossman they may have scored in the first half. Who believes Griffin was really throwing the ball away as opposed to him thinking it was 4th down and that it was a desperation throw?

spidernat · « **Reply #1592 on:** November 18, 2013, 01:24:30 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on November 18, 2013, 01:22:08 pm

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/11/18/report-shanahan-wanted-tannehill-not-rgiii/

It's Stephen A Smith, but honestly, I could totally buy it.

If so then that's an issue because it indicates Snyder is still up to his old tricks.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #1593 on:** November 18, 2013, 01:29:24 pm »

Every time a trade looks like it doesn't work, quick, claim Snyder forced it on poor Shanny (whose contract gives him final say so on football decisions). As far as balance, the only correlation between winning and running the ball is the result of good teams killing the clock in the fourth quarter

PC · « **Reply #1594 on:** November 18, 2013, 01:30:02 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on November 18, 2013, 01:24:30 pm

If so then that's an issue because it indicates Snyder is still up to his old tricks.

Not buying it for a minute.

Slateman · « **Reply #1595 on:** November 18, 2013, 01:30:37 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on November 18, 2013, 01:24:30 pm

If so then that's an issue because it indicates Snyder is still up to his old tricks.

Is it really that far fetched? Snyder falls in love with Griffin at his pro day and quietly reminds shanny that it's year three and the Skins don't have a QB. Shanny sees the writing on the wall and commits to Griffin.

I don't think it's that he thought Tannehill was a better QB. I think he thought Tannehill more fit his system and his style of coaching. Look at his previous QBs. None of them are even close to Griffin's level of stardom. Tannehill, OTOH, is much closer to being a Plummer or a Cutler.

Quote from: PC on November 18, 2013, 01:30:02 pm

Not buying it for a minute.

You don't buy that Snyder would meddle? Really? He's been doing it for like 15 years.

spidernat · « **Reply #1596 on:** November 18, 2013, 01:31:20 pm »

Are you saying Shanahan is planting these stories? I could see that happening but if so it doesn't look good that he wanted Tannehill. Also, that could be a fireable offense but maybe that's what he wants.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #1597 on:** November 18, 2013, 01:33:00 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on November 18, 2013, 01:30:37 pm

Is it really that far fetched? Snyder falls in love with Griffin at his pro day and quietly reminds shanny that it's year three and the Skins don't have a QB. Shanny sees the writing on the wall and commits to Griffin.

so he was worried about being fired and walking away with ~$21 million in salary for sitting on his ass?

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I don't think it's that he thought Tannehill was a better QB. I think he thought Tannehill more fit his system and his style of coaching. Look at his previous QBs. None of them are even close to Griffin's level of stardom. Tannehill, OTOH, is much closer to being a Plummer or a Cutler.
You don't buy that Snyder would meddle? Really? He's been doing it for like 15 years.

well except for that Elway fellow.

spidernat · « **Reply #1598 on:** November 18, 2013, 01:34:41 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on November 18, 2013, 09:00:06 am

The Sunday night home game against the Giants is getting flexed out to the 1 pm slot.

It looks like the NFL has opted to keep this game in the original primetime slot. If the Giants can beat Dallas this Sunday then that game could be important for the Giants because it could land them in a first place tie in the division.

PC · « **Reply #1599 on:** November 18, 2013, 01:39:03 pm »

If this story is true, why wasn't it "reported" last year or even earlier this year? Or the offseason?

Complete bullcrap.