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Offline OldChelsea

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Re: WP: Nats MASN deal renegotations will have a huge impact
« Reply #1275 on: February 05, 2015, 09:42:20 am »
Manfred predicts an end to dispute: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/02/04/manfred-predicts-resolution-in-orioles-nationals-tv-dispute/

Quote from linked article:

' “We think of Baltimore and Washington as separate franchises, separate cities,” Manfred said.' [emphasis added]

...a fundamental truth that many still do not grasp.

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Re: WP: Nats MASN deal renegotations will have a huge impact
« Reply #1276 on: February 05, 2015, 09:44:56 am »
reading the quote

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I think in reasonably short order, there will be a resolution of MASN

I hope that means the dissolution of MASN, I'm probably parsing too much, but he didn't say a resolution the MASN dispute or the dispute, but phrased it MASN like itself was the problem

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« Reply #1277 on: February 05, 2015, 10:45:34 am »
reading the quote

I hope that means the dissolution of MASN, I'm probably parsing too much, but he didn't say a resolution the MASN dispute or the dispute, but phrased it MASN like itself was the problem

I don't get people hoping for that.   MASN has pretty solid carriage with all carriers in the extended market.  Unless they go to an existing channel like CSN, then I'd guess there is at least a 50% chance the new channel won't be widely carried for at least a year or two.  Especially in areas outside DC metro (where I happen to live).

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« Reply #1278 on: February 05, 2015, 10:47:59 am »
I don't get people hoping for that.   MASN has pretty solid carriage with all carriers in the extended market.  Unless they go to an existing channel like CSN, then I'd guess there is at least a 50% chance the new channel won't be widely carried for at least a year or two.  Especially in areas outside DC metro (where I happen to live).

mostly because I don't want the team hamstrung by angelos, especially with the ridiculous RSN deals other teams are getting in lesser or comparable media markets

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Re: WP: Nats MASN deal renegotations will have a huge impact
« Reply #1279 on: February 05, 2015, 11:12:39 am »
That's a concern here in OBX, but the local cable company has said they would carry the new channel and cut back on Masn1/Masn2

I don't get people hoping for that.   MASN has pretty solid carriage with all carriers in the extended market.  Unless they go to an existing channel like CSN, then I'd guess there is at least a 50% chance the new channel won't be widely carried for at least a year or two.  Especially in areas outside DC metro (where I happen to live).

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Re: WP: Nats MASN deal renegotations will have a huge impact
« Reply #1280 on: February 05, 2015, 02:19:11 pm »
Anything that removes the Angelos paws from Washington baseball is a good thing. Let Angelos ask Clark Griffith for permission to take Washington baseball broadcast money to Baltimore. If the Old Fox says "yes", then it might be worth considering Angelos's interest.

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« Reply #1281 on: February 05, 2015, 08:46:29 pm »
mostly because I don't want the team hamstrung by angelos, especially with the ridiculous RSN deals other teams are getting in lesser or comparable media markets
I think those will dry up after the Dodger's debacle.  That window for getting someone to overpay has probably closed. 

Also I can't really cheer for sports owners to find more ways to extort money out of the 95% of cable subscribers who don't watch the games.

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Re: WP: Nats MASN deal renegotations will have a huge impact
« Reply #1282 on: February 05, 2015, 08:53:32 pm »
F MASN. I'll take my chance with CSN or the highest bidder before I'd have the team sitting under Angelos thumb forever.

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« Reply #1283 on: February 05, 2015, 09:54:07 pm »
I think those will dry up after the Dodger's debacle.  That window for getting someone to overpay has probably closed. 

Also I can't really cheer for sports owners to find more ways to extort money out of the 95% of cable subscribers who don't watch the games.

If you think that the RSN bubble has burst, than what is the aftermath?  I have a hard time believing that the TV money will regress to what it once was.  I doubt that it goes higher, but I'm not sure it will recede to 10 Million a season again.  Even at 40 Million per year would be a step up for the Nats.

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« Reply #1284 on: February 05, 2015, 11:04:01 pm »
If you think that the RSN bubble has burst, than what is the aftermath?  I have a hard time believing that the TV money will regress to what it once was.  I doubt that it goes higher, but I'm not sure it will recede to 10 Million a season again.  Even at 40 Million per year would be a step up for the Nats.
I don't know if it has burst, but I would doubt anyone throws a bunch of money into a new team specific channel that is counting on a juicy carriage fee.  Over the top video subscription services will eventually kill RSNs being able to force bundle.  Without that, they will be left with either showing it for free and counting on advertising money, or selling it a la carte.  Doing basic math, it is hard to see how either of those options could be worth over 40 million a year in gross revenue.  Once they pay for production and everyone takes their cut, that is optimistically 20 million left for a team like the Nats.   

CSN might pay in the 40-80 million neighborhood right now if they think they can get a dollar 2 more per subscriber.  But it would be hard to imagine they'd pay that much without a competing bidder.  If MASN was ditched and out of the picture, who else would bid?  I doubt Fox would want to launch an expensive channel basically from scratch.  A Nats run channel would probably be floated, but would probably be too risky to be considered a legitimate threat.  Without MASN, I think it would be Comcast or nothing, and they'd know it.

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Re: WP: Nats MASN deal renegotations will have a huge impact
« Reply #1285 on: February 06, 2015, 09:49:59 am »
Would that new Monumental Network make a run at it? Not sure if they're on cable or satellite plans or if they're just web based, but could we see them try and jump in the fray?

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« Reply #1286 on: February 06, 2015, 10:20:09 am »
Would that new Monumental Network make a run at it? Not sure if they're on cable or satellite plans or if they're just web based, but could we see them try and jump in the fray?

Right now they're just web-based but Leonsis has implied that he wants to start his own network, so I guess it's a possibility. That would pave the way for him to control the TV viewing of the Caps, Nats and Wizards, which would be a big deal.

I don't think he'll do that, though. CSN is basically a team-operated outlet at this point.

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« Reply #1287 on: February 06, 2015, 10:49:18 am »
I wouldn't be surprised at all if a long-term solution was eventually a Caps/Nats/Wizards network. Don't Lerner and Leonsis have a decent relationship as well? It's actually the best solution, but I think it's impeded by the fact that no one wants to be in a negotiating room with either of those guys :)

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Re: WP: Nats MASN deal renegotations will have a huge impact
« Reply #1288 on: February 06, 2015, 11:53:13 am »
I wouldn't be surprised at all if a long-term solution was eventually a Caps/Nats/Wizards network. Don't Lerner and Leonsis have a decent relationship as well? It's actually the best solution, but I think it's impeded by the fact that no one wants to be in a negotiating room with either of those guys :)

An Uncle Ted Leonsis and Lerrner owned and operated nationals capitals wizards network would be a great thing for Washington DC television viewers

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« Reply #1289 on: February 06, 2015, 12:22:47 pm »
I wish the model was regional rather than sport-specific or conference-specific. I would eat up a channel that was Nats/Caps/Wizards/UVA/Maryland/GW/Georgetown.

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Re: WP: Nats MASN deal renegotations will have a huge impact
« Reply #1290 on: February 06, 2015, 12:29:59 pm »
I wish the model was regional rather than sport-specific or conference-specific. I would eat up a channel that was Nats/Caps/Wizards/UVA/Maryland/GW/Georgetown.
add in Yale hockey and even I might subscribe ;)

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« Reply #1291 on: February 06, 2015, 12:32:55 pm »

An Uncle Ted Leonsis and Lerrner owned and operated nationals capitals wizards network would be a great thing for Washington DC television viewers

How about they buy MASN from Angelos, turn it into the Monumental Network, and then the Orioles can go back to CSN.

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Re: WP: Nats MASN deal renegotations will have a huge impact
« Reply #1292 on: February 06, 2015, 12:35:55 pm »
I wish the model was regional rather than sport-specific or conference-specific. I would eat up a channel that was Nats/Caps/Wizards/UVA/Maryland/GW/Georgetown.

just make it streaming and I'd be happy

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« Reply #1293 on: February 06, 2015, 01:11:16 pm »
just make it streaming and I'd be happy

All these channels should be streaming with more teams part of the network. That would allow viewers to choose which live game they wanted to watch while creating enough sources of content that the channels aren't black holes 20 hours a day.

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Re: WP: Nats MASN deal renegotations will have a huge impact
« Reply #1294 on: February 06, 2015, 02:24:00 pm »
I wish the model was regional rather than sport-specific or conference-specific. I would eat up a channel that was Nats/Caps/Wizards/UVA/Maryland/GW/Georgetown.

Hi, my name is George Mason. If we fire our head coach, can we haz TV network?

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« Reply #1295 on: February 06, 2015, 03:49:02 pm »
Hi, my name is George Mason. If we fire our head coach, can we haz TV network?

Thought about including them, but it's a decade since that magical run, 5 years since their last NCAA tournament appearace, and they're 40-50 over the last 3 years. Just about as much recent success as James Madison. Honestly, VCU would be a much better inclusion.

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Re: WP: Nats MASN deal renegotations will have a huge impact
« Reply #1296 on: February 06, 2015, 07:40:42 pm »
What part of locked into MASN for perpetuity don't you people understand?

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« Reply #1297 on: February 06, 2015, 07:50:49 pm »
What part of locked into MASN for perpetuity don't you people understand?

What part of not financially viable don't you understand? MASN has to pay fair market value (which seems to be in the contract http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/02/04/manfred-predicts-resolution-in-orioles-nationals-tv-dispute/ "The Orioles were given a supermajority partnership interest in MASN, and the network’s rights payments to the Nationals were set at $20 million to $29 million a year through 2011.
After that, the network was to pay fair market value.") to the Nats, MASN also has to pay the same amount to the Os they pay the Nats- MASN revenues aren't big enough to cover two times the Nats fair market value

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« Reply #1298 on: February 06, 2015, 07:57:12 pm »
What part of not financially viable don't you understand? MASN has to pay fair market value (which seems to be in the contract

What are you dense? Fair market value can't be more than the revenues.

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« Reply #1299 on: February 06, 2015, 07:59:24 pm »
What are you dense? Fair market value can't be more than the revenues.

Don't they call that bankrupt?