Author Topic: 2011 Trade Watch (was trade deadline watch) (Read 85616 times)

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #2225 on:** August 24, 2011, 03:48:31 pm »

He's not walking in AAA. If the Nats want a leadoff hitter, they'd go with Antonelli... But he's not going to get the shot Lombo will get in September. But explaining as to why is just beating a dead horse at this point.

imref · « **Reply #2226 on:** August 24, 2011, 04:06:56 pm »

upton is on waivers (BJ)

UMDNats · « **Reply #2227 on:** August 24, 2011, 04:10:23 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on August 24, 2011, 03:48:31 pm

He's not walking in AAA. If the Nats want a leadoff hitter, they'd go with Antonelli... But he's not going to get the shot Lombo will get in September. But explaining as to why is just beating a dead horse at this point.

His walk rate in AAA is the same it was in AA this season, but it's lower than it's been every year in the past, though his average is also about 10 points higher than usual. So it seems that he's just being more aggressive at the plate, but I'm not ready to make that conclusion without some swing % statistics and such.

I wish Antonelli would get a shot this September. He's earned it, but we'd have to make a damn spot for him on the 40-man and we gotta protect those awesome players like Severino!

HTT · « **Reply #2228 on:** August 24, 2011, 05:24:54 pm »

Listening to Inside Pitch on XM today, they had on one of the Rockies' beat writers. He mentioned that the Astros wanted the Rockies to pick up all of Wandy's salary and send Wilin Rosario (top C prospect) or one of the Rockies top pitching prospects. Sounds like no headway was being made. Rockies are willing to pick up all the salary, balking at sending over a top prospect.

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #2229 on:** August 24, 2011, 07:12:52 pm »

I included Lombo because he probably has more value than Desmond. But I'd sub in Desmond if they'd take him for Jones and for whatever reason they trade Hardy. We also have a bunch of MI prospects.

Slateman · « **Reply #2230 on:** August 24, 2011, 08:47:55 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on August 24, 2011, 03:48:31 pm

He's not walking in AAA. If the Nats want a leadoff hitter, they'd go with Antonelli... But he's not going to get the shot Lombo will get in September. But explaining as to why is just beating a dead horse at this point.

If all sea want is walks, we should call up Komatsu

tomterp · « **Reply #2231 on:** August 24, 2011, 09:05:37 pm »

Quote from: UMDNats on August 24, 2011, 03:44:16 pm

What exactly is he outperforming? His draft slot? He's been remarkably consistent with his performance at every level.

Yeah, I think his draft slot reflects the consensus on him at the time we picked him. Surely he's been a good surprise for us, but you still see somewhat restrained praise from folks. Like this one:

Positional Primacy: Second Base
by Jason Parks, Baseball Prospectus

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14337

Quote

Steve Lombardozzi (Nationals)
Requirements: 6-foot-0
TCF: He’s an average all-around player, with a plus-plus grit component and baseball bloodlines. Lombardozzi has well below-average power, but the bat itself is solid, and he shows the ability to make hard contact. His speed is average, but it plays up in game action. His work in the field is equally average, but it’s effective thanks to a healthy dirt-to-uniform ratio and instincts. He has a second-division future if his tools continue to play-up, but it’s a good bet he’ll have a reserve role on a 25-man roster as a floor.

imref · « **Reply #2232 on:** August 24, 2011, 10:37:32 pm »

john danks was put on waivers today, he's arbitration eligible at the end of this year. 26 years old, solid numbers. I'd take him for an AA prospect.

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #2233 on:** August 25, 2011, 04:54:09 am »

I don't think Lombo's draft slot has a ton to do with it. For me, it's his walk rate. I doubt he's going to hit .310 or .320 in the bigs because it's so rare. If he's only going to hit .270 or so, his OBP could be in the .310 or .320 range. That's not very good, especially when he doesn't bring a ton of power.

Maybe he proves me and the rest of hte haters wrong and can maintain the .300+ batting average.

Slateman · « **Reply #2234 on:** August 25, 2011, 07:34:10 am »

Quote from: imref on August 24, 2011, 10:37:32 pm

john danks was put on waivers today, he's arbitration eligible at the end of this year. 26 years old, solid numbers. I'd take him for an AA prospect.

I wouldn't mind having Ranks in the rotation .....

Quote from: Tyler Durden on August 25, 2011, 04:54:09 am

I don't think Lombo's draft slot has a ton to do with it. For me, it's his walk rate. I doubt he's going to hit .310 or .320 in the bigs because it's so rare. If he's only going to hit .270 or so, his OBP could be in the .310 or .320 range. That's not very good, especially when he doesn't bring a ton of power.

Maybe he proves me and the rest of hte haters wrong and can maintain the .300+ batting average.

That's an improvement over our current short stop

Evolution33 · « **Reply #2235 on:** August 25, 2011, 08:00:06 am »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on August 25, 2011, 04:54:09 am

I don't think Lombo's draft slot has a ton to do with it. For me, it's his walk rate. I doubt he's going to hit .310 or .320 in the bigs because it's so rare. If he's only going to hit .270 or so, his OBP could be in the .310 or .320 range. That's not very good, especially when he doesn't bring a ton of power.

Maybe he proves me and the rest of hte haters wrong and can maintain the .300+ batting average.

A league average second baseman has a .319 OBP. If Lombo is nothing more than league average and Espinosa can hit like he has and play solid defense at short then that is an overall upgrade. If the Nats could have league average players at every position and get Werth back to being Werth, keep Zimmerman healthy, have Morse continue to be hot, and Harper live up to being Harper then those are the makings of a good team.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #2236 on:** August 25, 2011, 10:22:17 am »

I wonder how many teams actually have at least league average hitters at every position, it seems like most teams have at one guy below

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #2237 on:** August 25, 2011, 11:30:37 am »

A team of league average players would get about 85 wins, if I did the math right.

houston-nat · « **Reply #2238 on:** August 25, 2011, 01:21:39 pm »

Quote from: imref on August 24, 2011, 10:37:32 pm

john danks was put on waivers today, he's arbitration eligible at the end of this year. 26 years old, solid numbers. I'd take him for an AA prospect.

WANT

Danks is consistent and consistently good.

Strasburg
JZimm
Danks
Lannan
Detwiler/Wang/Livo

2012 rotation would be finished.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #2239 on:** August 25, 2011, 02:00:11 pm »

Milone needs the 5 spot... just so you can pitch Milone/Strasburg in back to back night and watch the hitters pee their pants.

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #2240 on:** August 25, 2011, 02:11:06 pm »

I would want Danks, but I doubt that the White Sox would accept anything less than a really good prospect.

tomterp · « **Reply #2241 on:** August 25, 2011, 02:41:35 pm »

Quote from: PatsNats28 on August 25, 2011, 11:30:37 am

A team of league average players would get about 85 wins, if I did the math right.

Wouldn't 81 wins be average almost by definition? Or are you saying average players give above average results?

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #2242 on:** August 25, 2011, 02:42:10 pm »

Quote from: KnorrForYourMoney on August 25, 2011, 02:11:06 pm

I would want Danks, but I doubt that the White Sox would accept anything less than a really good prospect.

What more could they want from us? They already took our best hitter (Adam Dunn).

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #2243 on:** August 25, 2011, 02:50:27 pm »

Quote from: Evolution33 on August 25, 2011, 08:00:06 am

A league average second baseman has a .319 OBP. If Lombo is nothing more than league average and Espinosa can hit like he has and play solid defense at short then that is an overall upgrade. If the Nats could have league average players at every position and get Werth back to being Werth, keep Zimmerman healthy, have Morse continue to be hot, and Harper live up to being Harper then those are the makings of a good team.

I'm not the world's biggest Desmond fan but I don't see why lots of people are in a rush to get rid of him and promote Lombardozzi. As I see it, Desmond has as much of a chance of being league average at SS as Lombardozzi does at 2B. And a league average SS is generally harder to find than a league average 2B. I do think Antonelli has a shot at being somewhat better than average offensively at 2B but I don't know about his defense.

I'd also take Danks if he gets to us and we work out a decent trade.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #2244 on:** August 25, 2011, 02:52:22 pm »

Desmond has been below average two years in a row... and is worse his second year than he was the first.

What gives you confidence he might turn it around?

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #2245 on:** August 25, 2011, 02:56:42 pm »

I don't see a ton of CF's available after this season.

If Melky Cabrera is non-tendered, I hope we go after him. But he's not a guy I'd trade a lot for. Coco Crisp would be fine for a 2 year deal if he'd accept that. I read that BJ Upton might be non-tendered and I'm certain if that happens that we'd be first in line to offer him a nice contract.

Really, I think we make good trading partners with the O's - they really need pitching at all levels of their system. We could part with some of our minor league guys plus Lannan to get Adam Jones.

Brett Gardner from the Yanks can play CF and they may not need him with Granderson there.

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #2246 on:** August 25, 2011, 03:00:47 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on August 25, 2011, 02:52:22 pm

Desmond has been below average two years in a row... and is worse his second year than he was the first.

What gives you confidence he might turn it around?

Lots of players have slumps their sophomore seasons.

But what it comes down to is that I don't see Lombo as a sure-fire upgrade that others do. He's young and I think he'll at a minimum struggle to start the year if not throughout his rookie year. If he flops and Desmond is gone, then what? Once you make him starter, you kind of have to stick with him or you risk messing up his head.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #2247 on:** August 25, 2011, 03:01:31 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on August 25, 2011, 03:00:47 pm

If he flops and Desmond is gone, then what?

Antonelli?

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #2248 on:** August 25, 2011, 03:02:43 pm »

But do you really want to get into the game of flip flopping Antonelli and Lombo throughout the season? Wouldn't that be bad for their development?

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #2249 on:** August 25, 2011, 03:25:27 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on August 25, 2011, 03:02:43 pm

But do you really want to get into the game of flip flopping Antonelli and Lombo throughout the season? Wouldn't that be bad for their development?

and having them repeat AAA will be good for their development? Both look like they're ready (I know people harp about Lombo's walk rate, but he has a .362 OBP), why not give one a shot- Desmond is floundering and really has never been much of an offensive player