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Offline Evolution33

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #100 on: December 22, 2010, 07:56:07 pm »
To be fair to Snyder, part of the awful experience is not his fault. He didn't choose the location nor the traffic associated with that location.

But the Nationals gameday experience isn't that much to brag about. Overpriced tickets, overpriced concessions and parking to watch a bad product on the field.

I would hardly call Nationals tickets overpriced. For equal plans in equal quality seats my Nationals season tickets are 1/4 the price of my Caps season tickets. I don't think I have heard the word concessions without the word overpriced in front of it for ten years. And the product on the field last season was actually quite watchable compared to recent years. Sure the Nats lost a good amount but they were in a good number of game compared to the prior two seasons, but at the end of the day the product on the field can't be counted with the stadium experience.

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #101 on: December 22, 2010, 08:00:37 pm »
I would hardly call Nationals tickets overpriced. For equal plans in equal quality seats my Nationals season tickets are 1/4 the price of my Caps season tickets. I don't think I have heard the word concessions without the word overpriced in front of it for ten years. And the product on the field last season was actually quite watchable compared to recent years. Sure the Nats lost a good amount but they were in a good number of game compared to the prior two seasons, but at the end of the day the product on the field can't be counted with the stadium experience.
The Nationals average ticket price is well above the league average for a below average product. The OF seats are extremely overpriced. They should be half of what they sell for. Compare the ticket prices at Nats park to OPACY. It's embarrassing for the Nats.

Comparing the prices of Nats games to Caps games is not fair. For one, the Caps have half the games the Nats do so their prices are definitely going to be higher. Also, there is a huge demand for Caps tickets these days which inflates the prices.

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #102 on: December 22, 2010, 08:13:22 pm »
I'm with GMU on the ticket prices. It's a joke. Our prices are on par with teams that actually spend tons of money and put a good product on the field. I'm actually surprised they haven't cut prices as a good will gesture to fans.

However, the Redskins are the biggest joke in town.

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #103 on: December 22, 2010, 08:19:52 pm »
Remember with ticket prices the Nationals still have to pay DC taxes. Also with the Caps I know they play less games I have a 1/4 season plan to both teams. As far as I am concerned MLB is the best value in sports. Anyone want to see what seats $10 would get someone for an NBA game.

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #104 on: December 22, 2010, 08:21:24 pm »
Remember with ticket prices the Nationals still have to pay DC taxes. Also with the Caps I know they play less games I have a 1/4 season plan to both teams. As far as I am concerned MLB is the best value in sports. Anyone want to see what seats $10 would get someone for an NBA game.
I agree with you on the value of baseball games, but you aren't getting that by purchasing tickets through the Nationals and the ticketmaster racket. Getting tickets from scalpers for cheap is easy and should be easier this season.

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #105 on: December 22, 2010, 08:22:05 pm »
Snyder's made the playoffs 3 times, 2 playoff wins, and had 6 .500+ seasons. You want to know how many times the Nationals sniffed .500 under the Lerners? The same amount as you and I have.

Snyder started out with huge advantages.  A die hard fan base, a well known and respected brand.  Free agents were tripping over themselves to come here and take his money.  Look how hard it's been for the Nats to attract quality guys, even when they overpay.

The Lerners were handed a rotting corpse of a franchise.  It's taken the Royals 20 years to rebuild and they seem to be the toast of baseball.  And they're still going to lose 100+ this year.  If the Lerners sucked for 20 years as bad as the Royals have sucked, there would be no baseball fans left in DC.

I don't even think the Lerners are all that great.  They've definitely made their share of mistakes - Bowden, for example.  But to compare them to Snyder is ridiculous.  Snyder is among the worst owners in sports.

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #106 on: December 22, 2010, 08:28:58 pm »
Lerner and Snyder = apples and oranges.

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #107 on: December 22, 2010, 08:35:52 pm »
Lerner and Snyder = apples and oranges.
If you swapped the two owners to the other's team, they both might be good owners :lol:

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« Reply #108 on: December 22, 2010, 08:41:43 pm »
There’s no comparison.

The Lerners are worst owners than Snyder and the Nationals are a worse run team than the Redskins and I’ve been a Redskins fan for 30+ years, never been a fan of another NFL team, so I KNOW how bad they are now!

The advantages to owning a MLB team over an NFL team are considerable, particularly for billionaires, which both Snyder and the Lerners happen to be, btw.  Dan Snyder operates in a sport where there had been a salary cap.  The Lerners operate in a sport without one.  That makes it easier to get better players where the only loss to the owners would be money.  That’s not the case in the NFL during the cap era, yet Dan Snyder was still willing to do it, even if it was foolhardy most of the time.

The Lerners have and continue to show no willingness to spend what it takes to put a winning product on the field.  Dan Snyder has ALWAYS shown a willingness to spend what it takes to put a winning product on the field, even though, in the Redskins’ case, it usually doesn’t work.

I fault Lerners for lack of desire.  I fault Snyder for lack of execution.  I’d rather have the money spent and  hope for better execution because you’re more likely to stumble into being good if you have good players,  which is hopefully what you paid for.  If you don’t spend the money, you won’t get the best players and you’ll consistently be bad, by design.  Come to think of it,  the Lerners had Kasten and his terrible plan and now they have Rizzo and his, even worse, plan,  so the Lerners are bad on the execution front too, which makes them even worse, a badly executing, low payroll team.

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #109 on: December 22, 2010, 09:00:09 pm »
Come to think of it,  the Lerners had Kasten and his terrible plan and now they have Rizzo and his, even worse, plan,  so the Lerners are bad on the execution front too, which makes them even worse, a badly executing, low payroll team.

Man you've really gone off the deep end lately.  It's a bit early to be saying Rizzo's plan is worse than Kasten's, IMO.

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« Reply #110 on: December 22, 2010, 09:02:35 pm »
Man you've really gone off the deep end lately.  It's a bit early to be saying Rizzo's plan is worse than Kasten's, IMO.

You mean they have to play games before losing them?

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #111 on: December 22, 2010, 09:03:53 pm »
Man you've really gone off the deep end lately.  It's a bit early to be saying Rizzo's plan is worse than Kasten's, IMO.

If this offseason is indicative of Rizzo's "plan" then no, it is not.

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« Reply #112 on: December 22, 2010, 09:24:09 pm »
Man you've really gone off the deep end lately.  It's a bit early to be saying Rizzo's plan is worse than Kasten's, IMO.

At this point in the Kasten regime, it would have been premature to call it bad but not in the case of Rizzo.  Rizzo's been with the team for years, he's been, functionally, in this position for a year.  He's not new to it.  If you look at this offseason, about half over, what has he done to make us believe that the way he's building this team, is better than what was done under Stan Kasten's plan?  Particularly, in the environment in which he's building the team, ie what pieces are actually available to build with?

...and what pieces he's let walk...  :|

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #113 on: December 22, 2010, 09:26:11 pm »
They just spent $126 million on one player and signed two #1 draft picks in a row -- both Scott Boras clients -- to lucrative contracts.  Many around the league doubted we could sign Strasburg and some pundits even urged us not to draft him.  If the Lerners were the billionaire cheapskates you make them out to be, both Strasburg and Harper would not be here, and our starting outfield would be Bernadina, Morgan, and Maxwell/Ankiel.

The funniest part of your post is the "Dan wants to win" crap that you hear from Larry Michael and other Redskins apologists.  EVERY NFL OWNER WANTS TO WIN.  But most know better than to personally interfere and install a crony like Vinny Cerrato to rubber stamp your awful decisions.  And we saw what happened -- it will take at least 5 years to undo the mess they created.  The situation is almost the complete opposite at Nationals Park, where a young nucleus of exciting players could take us to the next level.
The interference and rubber stamps can describe the Lerners. The Lerners are cheap as evidenced by past underslot draft picks, no international activity, twice had the lowest paid managers, the payroll today is even lower than the payroll they inherited from the cheap MLB.

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #114 on: December 22, 2010, 09:32:15 pm »
Getting tickets from scalpers for cheap is easy and should be easier this season.

The resale value for a Stars and Stripes seat for a Marlins game is less than what I paid to take Nick, Jr to see Yogi Bear this weekend.   Foolish to pay the Lerners face value for the junk they toss at us every year.

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« Reply #115 on: December 22, 2010, 09:35:48 pm »
 
They ... signed two #1 draft picks in a row -- both Scott Boras clients -- to lucrative contracts.

If they'd win a little more that wouldn't be a problem they'd have to face


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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #116 on: December 22, 2010, 09:36:02 pm »
To be fair to Snyder, part of the awful experience is not his fault. He didn't choose the location nor the traffic associated with that location.

But the Nationals gameday experience isn't that much to brag about. Overpriced tickets, overpriced concessions and parking to watch a bad product on the field.

i recall some discussions about Snyder wanting to build a new downtown stadium where RFK currently sits.  That would seem to make a great deal of sense.

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« Reply #117 on: December 22, 2010, 09:47:19 pm »
They just spent $126 million on one player and signed two #1 draft picks in a row -- both Scott Boras clients -- to lucrative contracts.  Many around the league doubted we could sign Strasburg and some pundits even urged us not to draft him.  If the Lerners were the billionaire cheapskates you make them out to be, both Strasburg and Harper would not be here, and our starting outfield would be Bernadina, Morgan, and Maxwell/Ankiel.

The funniest part of your post is the "Dan wants to win" crap that you hear from Larry Michael and other Redskins apologists.  EVERY NFL OWNER WANTS TO WIN.  But most know better than to personally interfere and install a crony like Vinny Cerrato to rubber stamp your awful decisions.  And we saw what happened -- it will take at least 5 years to undo the mess they created.  The situation is almost the complete opposite at Nationals Park, where a young nucleus of exciting players could take us to the next level.

Yes, and Werth is 1/25 of the 25-man roster.  Not nearly enough.  And I don't give them credit for signing their draft picks. That's what they're supposed to do.  The fact that the team was terrible enough to get the top pick, two years in a row, is actually a mark against the Lerners.  And Nyjer Morgan is still on the team and he still sucks.  His play AND his behavior make him unfit to be on a major league roster.  I can’t imagine other than salary or that he’s part of Rizzo’s plan, as to why he’s he still on THIS major league roster.

Yes, every owner of every professional sports team wants to win but are they willing to put the financial resources in to do it? 

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #118 on: December 22, 2010, 09:47:45 pm »
make some flippin moves so we can all shut up and focus on baseball.

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #119 on: December 22, 2010, 09:59:26 pm »
They just spent $126 million on one player and signed two #1 draft picks in a row -- both Scott Boras clients -- to lucrative contracts.  Many around the league doubted we could sign Strasburg and some pundits even urged us not to draft him. 

:lmao:


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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #120 on: December 22, 2010, 10:17:03 pm »
WTF this thread makes my head hurt.

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #121 on: December 22, 2010, 10:32:52 pm »
They just spent $126 million on one player and signed two #1 draft picks in a row -- both Scott Boras clients -- to lucrative contracts.  Many around the league doubted we could sign Strasburg and some pundits even urged us not to draft him.  If the Lerners were the billionaire cheapskates you make them out to be, both Strasburg and Harper would not be here, and our starting outfield would be Bernadina, Morgan, and Maxwell/Ankiel.

The funniest part of your post is the "Dan wants to win" crap that you hear from Larry Michael and other Redskins apologists.  EVERY NFL OWNER WANTS TO WIN.  But most know better than to personally interfere and install a crony like Vinny Cerrato to rubber stamp your awful decisions.  And we saw what happened -- it will take at least 5 years to undo the mess they created.  The situation is almost the complete opposite at Nationals Park, where a young nucleus of exciting players could take us to the next level.
Strasburg and Harper cost peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Especially the way that the Nats spread the big number around. Surem Strasburg got $15.1M, but it's spread out in bonuses and salaries over a few years, same with Harper. It's smart, I'm not saying that it isn't. It is smart, just don't make it out like they broke the bank for those 2.

Also, regarding The signing of Strasburg and Harper I don't give the Lerners credit for drafting and signing them. Those 2 picks were no brainers. It had to be done, there was no other option. You lose 100+ games, you get the chance to draft the best pitcher/hitter in a generation, You have to sign those guys.

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #122 on: December 22, 2010, 10:41:36 pm »
Strasburg and Harper cost peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Especially the way that the Nats spread the big number around. Surem Strasburg got $15.1M, but it's spread out in bonuses and salaries over a few years, same with Harper. It's smart, I'm not saying that it isn't. It is smart, just don't make it out like they broke the bank for those 2.

Also, regarding The signing of Strasburg and Harper I don't give the Lerners credit for drafting and signing them. Those 2 picks were no brainers. It had to be done, there was no other option. You lose 100+ games, you get the chance to draft the best pitcher/hitter in a generation, You have to sign those guys.

this.

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« Reply #123 on: December 22, 2010, 10:44:47 pm »
I cannot believe some people are still touting the fact that the Nats actually signed their first round picks... as if that's some amazing feat.

You're supposed to sign your picks, that's what they're there for!

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Re: ESPN: The confusing plan of the Nationals
« Reply #124 on: December 22, 2010, 11:35:41 pm »
If this is the "ESPN likes to crap on the Nationals thread", then:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=5947975

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Washington -- in perhaps one of the stupidest deals ever -- signed Jayson Werth to a seven-year, $126 million deal while simultaneously losing Adam Dunn to the White Sox. Neither the Royals nor Nationals improved.

He is also referring to us as a small market team. I agree with the premise of the article, just not the crapting on the Nats.