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Offline houston-nat

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1225 on: December 31, 2010, 03:57:00 pm »
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Offline Lintyfresh85

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1226 on: December 31, 2010, 03:57:33 pm »
Quote from: PANatsFan on December 31, 2010, 03:51:52 pm
If this is the truth, then Rizzo did a perfect job, got the guy they probably wanted all along for less years.

Getting an inferior player, does not qualify as a great job, in my book.
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Offline Vega

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1227 on: December 31, 2010, 03:59:05 pm »
I've got both Morse and Laroche in my avatar now. Prepared for both possibilities.
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Offline Tyler Durden

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1228 on: December 31, 2010, 03:59:20 pm »
Glad to see they made a 2 yr offer at least to LaRoche and they didn't jump immediately to Kotchman.

Linty yep I get that you were joking but I'm concerned that Rizzo is overly concerned with getting defensive players.  I know Ladson has thrown Kotchman's name out there a few times as a potential backup plan.

I don't know a ton about LaRoche, but offensively, he won't bring that much more than Morse, other than being a lefty.

If they bring in LaRoche and Pavano on reasonable deals, I'll be happy.  If they manage to bring in Soriano, too, and trade some of the bullpen guys for upgrades elsewhere, that would be a nice little offseason.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1229 on: December 31, 2010, 04:08:16 pm »
Quote from: PANatsFan on December 31, 2010, 03:51:52 pm
If this is the truth, then Rizzo did a perfect job, got the guy they probably wanted all along for less years.

Or he could not sign and keep waiting or he could sign, be bitter and do an Albert Haynesworth.   :?
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1230 on: December 31, 2010, 04:22:16 pm »
Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on December 28, 2010, 07:01:09 pm
Maybe they hope that the Os will sign Lee, and then they can turn to LaRoche and say, "no one is offering you three years.  Here is our offer: 2 years, $16MM, with a team option for another year at $7MM. "
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Offline Kevrock

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1231 on: December 31, 2010, 04:48:03 pm »
Quote from: Tyler Durden on December 31, 2010, 03:42:21 pm
I'm pretty disappointed in losing out on Lee - especially to the O's.  As much as LaRoche stirkes out, he better bring some serious defense and other assets.  And that's assuming we're able to get him.


I am with Tyler on this.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1232 on: December 31, 2010, 04:48:25 pm »
I hope LaRoche agrees... I don't want any of those other guys.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1233 on: December 31, 2010, 05:06:26 pm »
How sad is it that the freaking Orioles are a better option than this team?
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Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1234 on: December 31, 2010, 05:18:39 pm »
Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on December 31, 2010, 03:57:33 pm
Getting an inferior player, does not qualify as a great job, in my book.

Inferior to Dunn, I'm not sure I agree. I think Laroche+Werth is better than Dunn+random outfielder from last season (Willie?).
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Offline Kevrock

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1235 on: December 31, 2010, 05:22:18 pm »
I thought he was just talking about LaRoche being inferior to Lee.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1236 on: December 31, 2010, 05:22:48 pm »
Quote from: PANatsFan on December 31, 2010, 05:18:39 pm
Inferior to Dunn, I'm not sure I agree. I think Laroche+Werth is better than Dunn+random outfielder from last season (Willie?).

I agree LaRoche + Werth is not a terrible option - I've said so before on here too. 

But most of those random outfielders are still on this team dude (Morse/Bernadina/Morgan/Maxwell maybe). 

25 + 28 homers is better than 38.  I just think Dunn is a much better player overall than LaRoche.  But I also think LaRoche is better than a Kotchman, so I'll be happy WHEN WE SIGN HIM. 
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Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1237 on: December 31, 2010, 05:23:05 pm »
Quote from: Kevrock on December 31, 2010, 05:22:18 pm
I thought he was just talking about LaRoche being inferior to Lee.

I'm not convinced that Lee is healthy and bouncing back, and it was a bit too definitive to mean Lee, so if he did, I think he's wrong.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1238 on: December 31, 2010, 05:24:43 pm »
Quote from: Kevrock on December 31, 2010, 05:22:18 pm
I thought he was just talking about LaRoche being inferior to Lee.

I was.

Thought that was pretty obvious.  :shrug:
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1239 on: December 31, 2010, 05:25:00 pm »
Lobocop Smithereens is smooching LaRoche's butt on twitter.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1240 on: December 31, 2010, 05:35:42 pm »
do we need to change this thread title to "And then there was LaRoche"?

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Offline Lintyfresh85

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1241 on: December 31, 2010, 05:37:34 pm »
Until he signs, I wouldn't dare take the risk.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1242 on: December 31, 2010, 05:37:52 pm »
Quote from: hammondsnats on December 31, 2010, 05:22:48 pm
I agree LaRoche + Werth is not a terrible option - I've said so before on here too. 

But most of those random outfielders are still on this team dude (Morse/Bernadina/Morgan/Maxwell maybe). 

25 + 28 homers is better than 38.  I just think Dunn is a much better player overall than LaRoche.  But I also think LaRoche is better than a Kotchman, so I'll be happy WHEN WE SIGN HIM. 

LaRoche is a downgrade, but he's still going to put up decent numbers, and may be a better option over the next two years if you think Dunn will fall off.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1243 on: December 31, 2010, 05:41:46 pm »
As nice as it is if we were to sign LaRoche, I still think a key will be to maximize Morse's playing time.  Whether it is at the expense of Roger B or Nyjer, the line up will look a lot better with Morse in left (or right, if Werth is in center).  Morse hits righties well and does not need to be in a platoon (OK, he kills lefties, so if you had a righty killer I could see a platoon, but otherwise). 

If the plan is to platoon Morse at first with LaRoche and to go with Bernie and Morgan in the OF against LHP, then I have real gas.  Frankly, playing LaRoche at first and Morse in place of one of Roger / Nyjer makes me queasy too.  This team may need a RHB for the bench in addition to Morse.
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Offline RD

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1244 on: December 31, 2010, 05:43:59 pm »
If were talking overall, LaRoche isn't much of a downgrade at all from Dunn.

Dunn is a better offensive player, mainly because hell hit more bombs. LaRoche will not compare there but does in most other categories.

Defensively, LaRoche is twice the defender Dunn is.

So overall, I think the impact will be similar. Couple less runs, but well save a few more on the defensive end.

I also don't see how you can compare Morse and LaRoche. LaRoche is proven over 5+ years as a starter. Morse had a solid year lasy year as a utility guy. LaRoche is a definite upgrade if Morse is the alternative.

Let's just hope we get LaRoche done. I thin him being left handed makes him a better fit for the lineup, but I would have preferred Lee for one year.
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Offline Kevrock

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1245 on: December 31, 2010, 05:49:03 pm »
65% of the home runs, 85% of the strike outs. His OBP was only .320 last year, although that ties for his career low. He is a clear downgrade at the plate.

I hope he's a great first baseman. I haven't really seen him enough to make a judgment.
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1246 on: December 31, 2010, 05:51:30 pm »
Same number of RBIs as Dunn though right? So in the end the difference could be relative. Not as many home runs, but more RBIs is good if the defense is also an upgrade. <silver lining>
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Offline RyanTheRiot

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1247 on: December 31, 2010, 05:53:53 pm »
Quote from: wpa2629 on December 31, 2010, 05:51:30 pm
Same number of RBIs as Dunn though right? So in the end the difference could be relative. Not as many home runs, but more RBIs is good if the defense is also an upgrade. <silver lining>

RBIs mean nothing.  Just for future reference.
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Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1248 on: December 31, 2010, 05:54:11 pm »
Are you guys trying to say their WAR is equivalent, because I think it is, actually.

Laroche 2.1, Dunn 3.9 on Fangraphs. Dunn had was twice the player last year. However, Werth was 1.5x the player dunn was.
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Offline RyanTheRiot

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #1249 on: December 31, 2010, 05:55:00 pm »
And I wouldn't give LaRoche $8 mil a season.  We should offer him 2 years / $14 million, and he can take it or leave it.
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