Nationals new 1B discussion

[houston-nat]

I addressed 3 of u in one reply...u must be on crack,

Says the guy who thinks commas go at the end of sentences

[RyanTheRiot]

Why is everyone on this board so adamant about spending?  It's all spend, spend, spend around here.  Do you people think we can just buy a championship?

[Nathan]

Works for the Yankees.

[Ray D]

Go maryland!

Why did they fire Freidgen?   (Or however it's spelled.)

[RyanTheRiot]

Works for the Yankees.

We don't have the money to spend like they do.  It works for them because they have the resources.  We don't.

[Nathan]

We have the richest owners in baseball, I believe.  We should have the resources.  Really, I don't think we should have a $200MM+ payroll, but we should at least be up to $100MM by now.  I actually haven't looked at the current payroll projection, but my guess is that it's still under $75MM.

[PC]

We have the richest owners in baseball, I believe.  We should have the resources.  Really, I don't think we should have a $200MM+ payroll, but we should at least be up to $100MM by now.  I actually haven't looked at the current payroll projection, but my guess is that it's still well under $75MM.

Fixed.

[Ray D]

Fixed.

I don't know about WELL under, it's around 72m,
look at http://www.wnff.net/index.php/topic,20998.0.html
It is very disturbing that the Orioles and Royals are ahead of us though.

[PC]

I don't know about WELL under, it's around 72m,
look at http://www.wnff.net/index.php/topic,20998.0.html
It is very disturbing that the Orioles and Royals are ahead of us though.

That was 2010. 2011 payroll is going to under 2010.

[Ray D]

2011 payroll is going to under 2010.

How do we know that?

[PC]

How do we know that?

Mindfact.

...but how can you expect it to be more?

[hammondsnats]

Says the guy who thinks commas go at the end of sentences

Mobile phone!!!

[Ray D]

...but how can you expect it to be more?

I just can't grasp the logic of the Werth signing while cutting payroll.

[PC]

I just can't grasp the logic of the Werth signing while cutting payroll.

Welcome to the world of the Washington Nationals!

[comish4lif]

How do we know that?

I have it at a shade over $56M based on the current roster.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ah8KBga3QqVzdFNtYmtNdS1ZU2FIMVhvNWRwM2VlckE&hl=en&output=html

[PANatsFan]

Pavano + a 1B would put them at around $75, which people CLAIM would satisfy them, but I think nothing ever will.

[JMW IV]

I'm sure Needham (who is awesome) will stop nagging when the Nats finally stop making bad moves.

no he won't. to him, every move is a bad move. even the good ones.

Ok jmad I guess 5 consecutive losing seasons isn't worth nagging about  you have naged about this organization before don't pull that card.

the difference between you and me is that I don't have an agenda to uphold so I can be more selective about what I nag about.

you just nag randomly to further your agenda.

[PC]

Pavano + a 1B would put them at around $75, which people CLAIM would satisfy them, but I think nothing ever will.

Yeah, get the signatures on a contract and I'll stop nagging.  Up until then, the nagging continues.

[JMW IV]

Pavano + a 1B would put them at around $75, which people CLAIM would satisfy them, but I think nothing ever will.

for once, I agree with PA.

I'd be satisfied with a 80m payroll. I think we can win with that.

some folks on this board wouldn't be satisfied with the highest Payroll in baseball.

*insert generic Hammonds LAC rant here*

I'd really love to talk about baseball and baseball players, but all anyone here ever wants to talk about is the Lerner's money.

yeah we get it, they're cheap. they are horrible people, they should be drawn and quartered, tar and feathered blahblahblahblah.  whatever.

get rich and buy the team already. freak, I'm tired of talking about it.

I'm about ready to just say freak talking baseball. wake me up when the season starts. no wait, you won't want to talk baseball then either, you'll still be here nagging about the Lerner's freaking money.

when does Soccer season start.

[UMDNats]

I'd really love to talk about baseball and baseball players, but all anyone here ever wants to talk about is the Lerner's money.

This is 100% not true. There is fantastic baseball discussion in just about every thread, just because certain posters constantly bring up the owners doesn't mean everyone is thinking similarly and ignoring baseball.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

no he won't. to him, every move is a bad move. even the good ones.

Which "good moves"?  Nearly every move, besides signing Harper and Strasburg, has been a bad/neutral move during Rizzo's tenure.  I guess Hanrahandoverthelead for Burnett was good, but I doubt he had a problem with that.

[spidernat]

Pavano + a 1B would put them at around $75, which people CLAIM would satisfy them, but I think nothing ever will.

Who has claimed that?

[HalfSmokes]

Pavano + a 1B would put them at around $75, which people CLAIM would satisfy them, but I think nothing ever will.

I don't think that's true, depending on the person, league average would satisfy a lot of people as far as payroll goes. I'd personally like to see it a bit higher given DC's potential as a market, but wouldn't call the owners cheap if they were at $75 million opening day

[spidernat]

I don't think that's true, depending on the person, league average would satisfy a lot of people as far as payroll goes. I'd personally like to see it a bit higher given DC's potential as a market, but wouldn't call the owners cheap if they were at $75 million opening day

Accepting that can only be the result of being used to having a bottom of the barrel payroll. In early 2007 Lerner said payroll would increase substantially. It went from 37 to around 53. When you're that low almost any increase will seem significant. But that was almost 4 years ago. Four years later they still haven't sniffed even an average number.

[PatsNats28]

I have an actual case pats...bottom of the barrell payroll again.  Year after year.

Ok jmad I guess 5 consecutive losing seasons isn't worth nagging about   you have naged about this organization before don't pull that card.

There's pa sticking up for teddy lerner again. 

They spent 127 million dollars on Jayson Werth. If they were truly ridiculously cheap, they wouldn't have done that. You can say that our payroll is reduced from last year, which is true, but it's not the point. The point is that if they were extremely cheap, they could spend even less. Now you may say that just because they're not spending 20 million, they aren't necessarily good owners, and this would be true. But the point here is that you have this opinion, that the Lerners are cheap, which may or may not be true - but you keep pushing this LAC idea whenever we don't spend a ton of money on a player. We can't always spend tons of money on every decent player who passes by. I don't necessarily agree with the Lee/LaRoche strategy of forcing their hand, but regardless, assuming that they sign one, it's not "LAC" if they spend 3 mil less to get LaRoche versus Lee when they are actually very similar players.