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Offline Lintyfresh85

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #550 on: December 14, 2010, 07:37:44 pm »
Cantu isn't really a viable option.

Well he is, but only if you think the rest of his stats will magically catch up to his inflated RBI totals.

He's basically Guzman with a lot more power.


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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #551 on: December 14, 2010, 07:47:25 pm »
$5 million according to this. http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/12/14/pirates-sign-lyle-overbay-to-1-year-deal/?synd=1

Thanks, thats around what I thought he would get, maybe a million more.  I wouldn't mind that contract on our team right now but we'll see how Rizzo resolves this

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« Reply #552 on: December 14, 2010, 07:55:09 pm »
Great deal for the Pirates... if anything, it's probably an underpay.

I'm jealous of the Pirates... to me, Huntington is a GM that gets it.

Now, if only they had pitching.

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« Reply #553 on: December 14, 2010, 08:02:19 pm »
A fan base would help, too

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« Reply #554 on: December 14, 2010, 08:19:06 pm »
A fan base would help, too

Winning cures all.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #555 on: December 14, 2010, 08:46:34 pm »
Winning cures all.

That beautiful park would fill up FAST.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #556 on: December 14, 2010, 08:51:33 pm »
I'm getting a little anxious about this.  There must be zero interest in LaRoche from other teams for us to be waiting this long.

That's what happened with Dunn when he signed with the Nats a couple of years ago.  Not saying they don't have an interest in Derek Lee, but I think they threw it out there to get LaRoche to sign quicker.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #557 on: December 14, 2010, 08:52:51 pm »
I'm jealous of the Pirates...

Bleh, their pitching is putrid.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #558 on: December 14, 2010, 08:56:48 pm »
Joel Hanrahan might be their best arm.  Anyone wish we could take that trade back?  Sean Burnett has turned into a plus reliever himself, and I guess the jury is still out on Nyjer Morgan.  But Hanrahan really Hanra-honed his skills last year

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« Reply #559 on: December 14, 2010, 09:01:35 pm »
Anyone wish we could take that trade back?

No.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #561 on: December 14, 2010, 09:05:37 pm »
I live in a world engulfed with flames and I want to take in a gas can with me. Brilliant idea

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #562 on: December 14, 2010, 09:18:33 pm »
Joel Hanrahan might be their best arm.  Anyone wish we could take that trade back?  Sean Burnett has turned into a plus reliever himself, and I guess the jury is still out on Nyjer Morgan.  But Hanrahan really Hanra-honed his skills last year

He got moved into the closer role last year in August and September.  He promptly put up a 1.55 WHIP in August and 1.62 in September.  He went a robust 6-9 on save opportunities.  We have plenty of setup men and it was more important to get a lefty in the pen.

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« Reply #563 on: December 14, 2010, 09:28:47 pm »
He got moved into the closer role last year in August and September.  He promptly put up a 1.55 WHIP in August and 1.62 in September.  He went a robust 6-9 on save opportunities.  We have plenty of setup men and it was more important to get a lefty in the pen.

24 innings is an awfully small sample size, no?  A sample where his BABIP was higher than Joey Votto's OBP.

Don't read too much into that.  He's a strikeout machine with the potential to be a great closer. 

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #564 on: December 14, 2010, 09:31:22 pm »
24 innings is an awfully small sample size, no?  A sample where his BABIP was higher than Joey Votto's OBP.

Don't read too much into that.  He's a strikeout machine with the potential to be a great closer.  

Same thing here and he crapped himself at the thought of trying to get a save.  Everything suggests he doesn't have the mental makeup to be a closer even on bad teams.  I'll take Burnett in that deal every time (even if Milledge/Morgan ends up a wash).

Let's also add in that Hanrahan is already 29.

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« Reply #565 on: December 14, 2010, 09:34:25 pm »
I've thought about the mental part for him.  He has a tendency to make bad pitches when he knows the game is on the line.  If he can gain some confidence in his dominant stuff, he can be great.  I wonder if or when that will happen.

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« Reply #566 on: December 14, 2010, 09:36:08 pm »
I didn't realize he was that old, either.  Time is running out for him to "flip the switch."  He has the ability, no doubt about it.  In the end, it takes more than ability to be great in professional sports.

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« Reply #567 on: December 14, 2010, 09:37:22 pm »
I've thought about the mental part for him.  He has a tendency to make bad pitches when he knows the game is on the line.  If he can gain some confidence in his dominant stuff, he can be great.  I wonder if or when that will happen.

At 29, I doubt it happens.  He's a good, sometimes really good, middle leverage reliever.  He's gone 9-13, 5-10, and 6-10 (1 early season opportunity last year) in saves over three years.  20-33 seems to lend to his not having the mental part down (and the increase in BABIP suggests the bad pitches in those spots).

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #568 on: December 14, 2010, 09:42:00 pm »
I can't argue with that, despite the strikeout totals.  A closer needs to have a short memory and always exude confidence.  Hanrahan just Hanra-hasn't. 

Sorry about the Hanrahan puns

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #569 on: December 14, 2010, 09:49:17 pm »
'So how did it feel to hit the game winning home run?  That must have been really exciting.  I like turtles.'

Well, yeah.....

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #570 on: December 15, 2010, 08:14:22 am »
At 29, I doubt it happens.  He's a good, sometimes really good, middle leverage reliever.  He's gone 9-13, 5-10, and 6-10 (1 early season opportunity last year) in saves over three years.  20-33 seems to lend to his not having the mental part down (and the increase in BABIP suggests the bad pitches in those spots).
hanrahan reminds me of Mike Timlin.  Timlin had great stuff and at times was a dominant set up guy, but always seemed to be just inconsistent enough closing to not be a good option.

Back to first basemen - If Texas signs Adrian Beltre, they have to move Michael Young to DH (if they don't sign Vladi or an alternative) or first.  If they do move him to first, which I think is the preference, then Mitch Moreland loses his starts.  Lefty, good OBP, had a nice half season but generally not thought of as elite.  I tend to think more of him than the source I cite too much.  Combining this thread an the Greinke thread, I wonder if, instead of going for Greinke ourselves, we send an MI to Texas for Moreland plus virtually any prospect in their system so that they can complete their package for Greinke.  They need an MI to make their deal work.  

[edit - good ISO too. he had a down half season stretch when he was promoted to AA in 2009, right around the time I was saying trade Nick to Texas for him, but otherwise he's had a pretty consistent .370+ OBP / .480+ ISO in the minors, and did about as well after his call up].

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #571 on: December 15, 2010, 12:20:38 pm »
No.

This, trying not to joelolol too hard.

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« Reply #572 on: December 15, 2010, 01:57:23 pm »
hanrahan reminds me of Mike Timlin.  Timlin had great stuff and at times was a dominant set up guy, but always seemed to be just inconsistent enough closing to not be a good option.

Back to first basemen - If Texas signs Adrian Beltre, they have to move Michael Young to DH (if they don't sign Vladi or an alternative) or first.  If they do move him to first, which I think is the preference, then Mitch Moreland loses his starts.  Lefty, good OBP, had a nice half season but generally not thought of as elite.  I tend to think more of him than the source I cite too much.  Combining this thread an the Greinke thread, I wonder if, instead of going for Greinke ourselves, we send an MI to Texas for Moreland plus virtually any prospect in their system so that they can complete their package for Greinke.  They need an MI to make their deal work. 

[edit - good ISO too. he had a down half season stretch when he was promoted to AA in 2009, right around the time I was saying trade Nick to Texas for him, but otherwise he's had a pretty consistent .370+ OBP / .480+ ISO in the minors, and did about as well after his call up].

Nice comparison with Timlin. I remember watching Orioles games as a little tyke back in the day, always thinking that Timlin was going to blow it in the ninth.  Back to the topic...

As far as Moreland goes, he would be a great player to trade for and would immediately project as our first baseman of the future.  I doubt that Texas will trade him, though, unless they know that Chris Davis is ready to handle big league pitching.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #573 on: December 15, 2010, 02:31:25 pm »
Re: Moreland - It would happen if they sign Adrian Beltre.  They are going to play M. Young somewhere, and he's not displacing Kinsler or Andrus.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #574 on: December 15, 2010, 02:38:28 pm »
hanrahan reminds me of Mike Timlin.  Timlin had great stuff and at times was a dominant set up guy, but always seemed to be just inconsistent enough closing to not be a good option.

Back to first basemen - If Texas signs Adrian Beltre, they have to move Michael Young to DH (if they don't sign Vladi or an alternative) or first.  If they do move him to first, which I think is the preference, then Mitch Moreland loses his starts.  Lefty, good OBP, had a nice half season but generally not thought of as elite.  I tend to think more of him than the source I cite too much.  Combining this thread an the Greinke thread, I wonder if, instead of going for Greinke ourselves, we send an MI to Texas for Moreland plus virtually any prospect in their system so that they can complete their package for Greinke.  They need an MI to make their deal work. 

[edit - good ISO too. he had a down half season stretch when he was promoted to AA in 2009, right around the time I was saying trade Nick to Texas for him, but otherwise he's had a pretty consistent .370+ OBP / .480+ ISO in the minors, and did about as well after his call up].

ah, mike timlin... the days of being a red sox fan. and then there were the even more irrelevant guys like carlos baerga and rey sanchez.