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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #475 on: December 12, 2010, 05:18:52 pm »
Hill would be pretty sweet, but could he be had and still flip some sort of deal for pitching as well?

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« Reply #476 on: December 12, 2010, 05:19:31 pm »
I'm not sure that Norris fits with what Rizzo wants from his catcher - namely defense.

I think a Norris/Willingham package should net something pretty good.  I'm hoping for someone like Ricky Nolasco.
Nolasco??? That will take a bundle more from the Nats and they won't go there.

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« Reply #477 on: December 12, 2010, 05:20:21 pm »
We've had to suffer the Bowden years of having no philosophy other than adding toolsy guys with histories of bad behavior or other issues.  I remember when Bowden was trying to sell the idea that having Kearns, Milledge, WM Pena, and Elijah Dukes was having all kinds of depth in the outfield.  Rizzo is a breath of fresh air by comparison.

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« Reply #478 on: December 12, 2010, 05:20:51 pm »
Hill would be pretty sweet, but could he be had and still flip some sort of deal for pitching as well?
Lets not forget Dana Brown is over there with the Jays and he knows what we have in our stable. There are still a bunch of " Brown" guys in the fold that Rizzo might let go for a guy like Hill.

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« Reply #479 on: December 12, 2010, 05:22:25 pm »
Nolasco??? That will take a bundle more from the Nats and they won't go there.

Yeah, you're probably right.  I dunno - some team out there has to be willing to sell their #2 pitcher.  Willingham is a legit starting LF and Norris is a good prospect.  Maybe adding Burgess, Marrero, Detweiler-level prospects can net something.

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« Reply #480 on: December 12, 2010, 05:24:35 pm »
We've had to suffer the Bowden years of having no philosophy other than adding toolsy guys with histories of bad behavior or other issues.  I remember when Bowden was trying to sell the idea that having Kearns, Milledge, WM Pena, and Elijah Dukes was having all kinds of depth in the outfield.  Rizzo is a breath of fresh air by comparison.
Rizzo is a great baseball mind with hidden agendas and very low ego. He knows its not about him.  Some other GM's feel they are larger than the players and their Ego's get in the way.

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« Reply #481 on: December 12, 2010, 05:26:08 pm »
Yeah, you're probably right.  I dunno - some team out there has to be willing to sell their #2 pitcher.  Willingham is a legit starting LF and Norris is a good prospect.  Maybe adding Burgess, Marrero, Detweiler-level prospects can net something.
I am from Florida and Matt Garza when he is on is a great pitcher.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #482 on: December 12, 2010, 06:03:05 pm »
I am from Florida and Matt Garza when he is on is a great pitcher.

Was there an attitude concern with him and the Twins?

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« Reply #483 on: December 12, 2010, 06:35:15 pm »
Was there an attitude concern with him and the Twins?
He has been great down here.

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« Reply #484 on: December 12, 2010, 08:13:25 pm »
I'm not sure that Norris fits with what Rizzo wants from his catcher - namely defense.

Everyone has acknowledged his defensive improvement this year.  He's going to be at least average behind the plate and likely better.

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« Reply #485 on: December 12, 2010, 08:19:53 pm »
where on earth are these Hill talks coming from?  Is this purley speculation, or did someone report this?  I feel like middle infield is the least of our concerns right now.

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« Reply #486 on: December 12, 2010, 08:22:43 pm »
where on earth are these Hill talks coming from?  Is this purley speculation, or did someone report this?  I feel like middle infield is the least of our concerns right now.

Then we can flip Desmond.

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« Reply #487 on: December 12, 2010, 08:33:57 pm »
Everyone has acknowledged his defensive improvement this year.  He's going to be at least average behind the plate and likely better.
Same could have been said about Adam Dunn.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #488 on: December 12, 2010, 08:46:13 pm »
I love the idea of getting more starting pitching, but if we have  to include J. Zimmermann, what's the point?

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« Reply #489 on: December 12, 2010, 08:48:27 pm »
I love the idea of getting more starting pitching, but if we have  to include J. Zimmermann, what's the point?

If it's for Greinke then it's the established #1 instead of the potential/probable #1.  If it's for Shields/Garza it's a bad move.

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« Reply #490 on: December 12, 2010, 09:01:56 pm »
If it's for Greinke then it's the established #1 instead of the potential/probable #1.  If it's for Shields/Garza it's a bad move.
Agreed.  As for Toronto, they would be unlikely to want a Desmond because they just traded for Escobar, right?

You could probably get Kevin Slowey for Desmond right now.  The problem is, he's Kevin Slowey.  Otherwise, I'm not sure KC would regard him as an upgrade for Yuni.  I'm not sure who else would be looking for an SS.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #491 on: December 12, 2010, 09:06:05 pm »
The Marlins should just hand Hanley over the Yankees already so we can get some of their pitching.

On Norris - if Dunn's offense wasn't enough to overcome his defensive issues at 1B, I doubt Norris's offense will be good enough to overcome his defensive issues (at a more important defensive position).

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« Reply #492 on: December 12, 2010, 09:08:16 pm »
Except nearly every scout has said he's improved enough that his defense will be perfectly fine.

You don't trade Mike Piazza because you don't think he blocks pitches well enough.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #493 on: December 12, 2010, 09:13:27 pm »
Rizzo just let Frank Howard walk out the front door. 

Just reading the tea leaves, but I think he'll be traded.

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« Reply #494 on: December 12, 2010, 09:14:49 pm »
Rizzo will be heading out the door shortly if he thinks he can get away with these all defense/no offense teams, as well.

Especially when you stock the team with #5 pitch to contact pitchers.

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« Reply #495 on: December 12, 2010, 09:16:32 pm »
It's a good problem to have, trying to choose between 3 potential quality young catchers.  A lot of teams would kill for that kind of a decision. 

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #496 on: December 12, 2010, 09:22:21 pm »
Nationals targeting Lee for first base
By Bill Ladson / MLB.com
12/12/10 6:02 PM EST

WASHINGTON -- The Nationals continue to look for a first baseman and they have expressed interest in free agent Derrek Lee, a baseball source confirmed to MLB.com.

If Lee were to go to Washington, it would mean that the team would have an above average defensive first baseman and a character person, who could lead players such as shortstop Ian Desmond and second baseman Danny Espinosa.

Lee could provide power in the middle of the lineup. This past season, Lee played for the Cubs and Braves and hit a combined .260 with 19 home runs and 80 RBIs. He played most of the season with a thumb injury and had surgery after the Braves were eliminated by the Giants in the National League Division Series. Lee is expected to be 100 percent by Spring Training.

Lee is best known for his years with the Marlins and Cubs. He helped Florida defeat the Yankees in the 2003 World Series and was a big factor in the Cubs going to the postseason in 2007 and '08.

During his 14-year career, Lee has a career .282 batting average with 312 home runs and 1,019 RBIs. He has also won three Gold Gloves.

Lee isn't the only player the Nationals are looking at to replace Adam Dunn at first base. They are still in the mix for Adam LaRoche. A source indicated that the two parties are in talks, but are not close to an agreement.

Without saying who he was going after, general manager Mike Rizzo said recently he could be looking for a long- or short-term solution at the position. Rizzo said he is not going to be rushed into any deal.

"We will explore both options, so it expands our pool a little bit more," Rizzo said. "I don't ever want to feel rushed to do a deal. I think when you feel rushed to do a deal, you make a deal that you may not have wanted to do. So we are going to look at our options. We feel there are still good options out there, and we will see where they take us."

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #497 on: December 12, 2010, 09:23:45 pm »
So they must have told him no thanks. I thought Desmond is a leader, who needs to lead him? :roll:

Of course, all the talk of the Nats and Lee could have been about Derrek.

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« Reply #498 on: December 12, 2010, 09:24:05 pm »
Lee could be a nice short term solution OR Rizzo could be blowing smoke to get LaRoche off the dime.

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« Reply #499 on: December 12, 2010, 09:25:06 pm »
Wait.

I thought the idea was to have the advantage while batting... if you stock the lineup with nine RHB, isn't that a bad thing?

Yes, I know it's not really going to be nine RHB... but it sure feels like it.