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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #401 on: December 09, 2010, 09:56:49 pm »
Boston, having just acquired Crawford, would also trade for Willingham? 

Depends on what they do with Ellsbury.  Assume they deal him, play Crawford in CF, then they could put Willingham in LF.  Even if they keep Ellsbury, do they trust Drew/Reddick in RF or consider Willingham?

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #402 on: December 09, 2010, 09:59:12 pm »
Crawford's not a CF, doesn't remotely have the arm for it.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #403 on: December 09, 2010, 10:04:41 pm »
I think Anderson is an overrated prospect anyway.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #404 on: December 09, 2010, 10:11:51 pm »
Alright you two... no fighting! At least not until you guys have been here a week!

Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #405 on: December 09, 2010, 10:29:37 pm »
give marrero a shot! look at adrian gonzalez? he didnt have a great minor league career did he? now look where hes at. but im going to be also very happy if we sign LaRoche. and lee lol

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #406 on: December 09, 2010, 10:36:01 pm »
Alright you two... no fighting! At least not until you guys have been here a week!

haha i love it though.  these rooks have some fire.  takes me back to the battles between you and I back in the day, huh linty?  8)

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #407 on: December 09, 2010, 10:47:36 pm »
haha i love it though.  these rooks have some fire.  takes me back to the battles between you and I back in the day, huh linty?  8)

"you and me"

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #408 on: December 09, 2010, 11:07:22 pm »
haha i love it though.  these rooks have some fire.  takes me back to the battles between you and I back in the day, huh linty?  8)

Except you were already a seasoned veteran when those battles took place.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #409 on: December 09, 2010, 11:08:14 pm »

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #410 on: December 09, 2010, 11:09:20 pm »
Except you were already a seasoned veteran when those battles took place.

true, but if you remember back in the day i never had tiffs with anyone ... until i started getting more and more pessimistic and SF/EZ got on my nerves.  those days are gone though.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #411 on: December 09, 2010, 11:18:23 pm »
huh?

"Do you remember the battles between you and me?" "I" is incorrect usage in that sentence.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #412 on: December 09, 2010, 11:31:00 pm »
huh?

:lol:

true, but if you remember back in the day i never had tiffs with anyone ... until i started getting more and more pessimistic and SF/EZ got on my nerves.  those days are gone though.

You were a nancy-boy back in those days.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #413 on: December 09, 2010, 11:31:02 pm »
"Do you remember the battles between you and me?" "I" is incorrect usage in that sentence.

haha i had a 12 hour workday today leave me alone tomterp!

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #414 on: December 10, 2010, 12:11:11 am »
Here's how I feel on the first base situation:  LaRoche's bat is a serviceable as far as left-handed power goes from a first baseman, with a .271/.339/.488 career triple-slash and an .827 OPS.  His glove is average, maybe slightly above average.  The problem with LaRoche is the money and years he will command (I predict $24 million over 3 years).  I think the Nats should consider short-term solutions before handing the job to LaRoche for the next three years.

I am intrigued by the idea of bringing in Brad Hawpe on a 1 year, incentive-laden contract.  His bat would provide the left handed power we lost with Dunn, with a .279/.373/.490 career line, good for an .863 OPS.  Granted, he played a lot of his games at Coors field, inflating those numbers.  Away from Coors, however, his career OPS is an impressive .839.  There is reason to think that Hawpe will bounce back from a disappointing 2009.  He battled through a rib injury and saw his BABIP fall to .308 (from 06-09, Hawpe posted an average BABIP of .347).  His swing was clearly affected by a physical injury and his numbers show it.  IF he can stay healthy, he can return to form.  Comparing Hawpe to the newest Nat Jayson Werth yields interesting results.  Check out this graph comparing their wOBA by age.



Shockingly similar, up until Hawpe's uncharacteristic 2009.

Hawpe is also a former first baseman (see: http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_15536823 ) who has practiced fielding ground balls his whole career and can definitely handle the position.  He can also play a corner outfield spot when the situation calls for it. 

A platoon at first base with Hawpe and Morse could provide Adam Dunn-esque production at a discount price.  Let's get it done.


Interesting on the background of Hawpe at 1B even without the MLB innings.  I don't think I'd do it but it's a nice fallback option.  If Morse goes to 1B a platoon could be used, at least at first, to ease the transition if needed.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #415 on: December 10, 2010, 12:12:10 am »
Oh, so you do read this thread.


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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #416 on: December 10, 2010, 02:05:55 am »
haha i love it though.  these rooks have some fire.  takes me back to the battles between you and I back in the day, huh linty?  8)

Ha. No doubt.

Glad those times are over.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #417 on: December 10, 2010, 08:37:01 am »
Am I the only that thinks it's crazy that Stan Kasten and Mike Rizzo have to go in front of "the board" when they want to extend/trade a player?

Yes.   I think this may have had to do with Stan's departure.  He's probably smart enough to realize a team can't run with two masters, and that his partners no longer viewed his vision as the vision for the team.  If he was not going to have the last word, and if he was going to have to answer to non-baseball people for baseball decisions, then he may have said "I don't need this."  Perhaps he has stuck it out in the past because he was not going to leave the franchise to JimBo, but with Rizzo on board, he may have felt at least there was a guy who knew baseball, was respected, and could implement a vision of a team.  Just a possibility, but it could explain why he is open about what he wanted to do but is not derisive of Rizzo or even the Lerners.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #418 on: December 10, 2010, 09:18:31 am »
Great stuff on this page!
I don't understand the logic of a one-year stop-gap at first base of Hawpe and Morse.  . . . what would a platoon of veterans playing out of position accomplish for the organization?

The goal at first base, especially since we've replaced (and diversified) a lot of Dunn's offense by adding Werth, is to have a solid left-handed hitter with some power who adequately plays the position.  While I don't think Adam LaRoche is the answer to our prayers, he certainly fits that bill, and I'd have no problem signing him for 2 years.
I'm kind of more with RTR than you, Stras37, on this one.  Once Dunn, V-Mart, and Konerko came off the market, I'm not sure there is a first baseman we want to go multiple years on.  There is a glut of declining stars or mediocre starting first basemen out there - Lee, Overbay, LaRoche, and I'll throw in Hawpe here, too because we all agree he's the second coming of Dr. Strangeglove defensively in RF.  There's no sense giving out multiple years to these guys when there  is the chance that a prospect could develop internally within 2 years (Marrero) or we may have a better internal option on the roster right now (Morse or Willingham if he is not traded).  The way the market is working, LaRoche is going to want 3 years because he is younger than Lee and Overbay and coming off a better year.  Hawpe, OTOH, offers as much power, is a LHB and fits with the roster, would not command a multi-year contract (he'd rather establish his market value and go back on the market). LaRoche, at least by some metrics, is kind of up and down defensively, too, so he's a bit of a mystery as to what you are getting (compare his UZR/150, DRS, and TZ to Overbay, for example, for the last 3 - 5 seasons).  A short term deal with Hawpe, where you could follow the old "pump and dump" strategy of establishing his credentials and dealing him mid-season (or cut your losses after a year if he does not pan out), would be consistent with improving the team beyond 2011. A commitment to LaRoche, coming off a high year, is more likely to be an albatross (cue houston-nat).  Even if LaRoche works out, if he were signed to only 2 years, he'd leave a hole that'd have to be filled once we were good.
I'd like to see us sign LaRoche for a year, trade willingham to Boston for Lars Anderson, and give Morse a chance to be an everyday player in LF.  If he puts up the kind of numbers he did last year, he's going to make some waves in 2011.
I don't think LaRoche is looking for a 1 year deal.  I'm tempted to say to him, "how's it feel to want," but the market seems to be giving out extra years to guys who are "hot," and he's coming off a hot year.  Also, keep in mind he produced his power by becoming swing happy and dropping his OBP.
Boston, having just acquired Crawford, would also trade for Willingham? 
Boston's three biggest remaining needs are 2 -3 relievers, MLB catchign depth, and a RHB that can play corners.  A 5th OF /1B / DH  RHB would still fit.  Anderson and Reddick seem to be blocked, unless they think Anderson will take over DH in 2012.
I think Anderson is an overrated prospect anyway.
You looked right in 2009, but the luster is back some after this year when he went form AA to MLB and did not look overmatched at any level.  Because he's a bit more advanced than Marrero, you could give him a one year trial run, slot him 6th in the line-up, use him first in a platoon with Morse (if you sign a stop gap left fielder), and, if he does not work out, run Marrero out there.  You are buying upside with Anderson.  Reddick gives you a LHB who can play all three outfield positions.  Jury is out on his bat, buthe had a good second half.
Alright you two... no fighting! At least not until you guys have been here a week!
I love it.  Both Stras and RTR are firing well argued points.  I don't know how other boards did in the offseason, but we made some great acquisitions.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #419 on: December 10, 2010, 10:17:12 am »


Rizzo tweeted yesterday: 
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Nationals 1B in 2011 likely to come from outside the organzation

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #420 on: December 10, 2010, 10:51:04 am »

Rizzo tweeted yesterday: 

Prince!! :lol:

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #421 on: December 10, 2010, 11:00:02 am »

Rizzo tweeted yesterday: 

Trade for Dunn? ;)

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #422 on: December 10, 2010, 11:18:28 am »
I wrote an open letter to Adam LaRoche hoping to keep him from making a terrible decision.

http://www.federalbaseball.com/2010/12/10/1868115/an-open-letter-to-adam-laroche

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #423 on: December 10, 2010, 11:25:19 am »
I wrote an open letter to Adam LaRoche hoping to keep him from making a terrible decision.

http://www.federalbaseball.com/2010/12/10/1868115/an-open-letter-to-adam-laroche
Evol - Buchholz is a righty, but you can throw in Ricky Romero or Brett Cecil to make the same point.

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Re: Nationals new 1B discussion
« Reply #424 on: December 10, 2010, 12:30:59 pm »
Evol - Buchholz is a righty, but you can throw in Ricky Romero or Brett Cecil to make the same point.

I changed it to Romero those 18 wild pitches scare me but he is pretty good and I have hope that he won't turn into another Oliver Perez.