Marquis to DL, to visit Dr. Kremchek - elbow

[KnorrForYourMoney]

From what I'm seeing we are looking at 6 weeks on average. It's a pretty straight forward arthroscopic procedure.

Damn, we have such an AAA rotation until June.

[natsfan4evr]

Damn, we have such an AAA rotation until June.

Let's face it, Mike Bacsik would be a better option than Marquis has been so far.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

Let's face it, Mike Bacsik would be a better option than Marquis has been so far.

Oh, believe me, I will take anything over Marquis of April 2010, it's just funny how this has turned out.  We all knew that the rotation was going to be bad early on, and we were counting down the days until Strasburg/Wang/Detwiler got ready.  Even still, I don't think any of us thought it would be quite like this.  We could be looking at a rotation of Lannan, Livan, Stammen, Martin, and Atilano in another week.

And in spite of that, there's a pretty good vibe around this team!

[hammondsnats]

don't blame the training staff on this one ... the guy obviously thought he was good to go.  they caught it now.  and now he's on the DL. 

[Lintyfresh85]

don't blame the training staff on this one ... the guy obviously thought he was good to go.  they caught it now.  and now he's on the DL. 

When a pitcher says he's sore in his elbow... he shouldn't have a choice on whether or not he can go.

[hammondsnats]

When a pitcher says he's sore in his elbow... he shouldn't have a choice on whether or not he can go.

yeah ... so when an established vet like Marquis says he wants to take the ball every fifth day but he has a bit of soreness ... blame him?

Honestly ... the guy has been a pretty good ballplayer over the years ... we haven't seen anything from him yet in a Nats uni.  But I still have faith in him and I don't blame him OR the training staff in this situation. 

[Lintyfresh85]

yeah ... so when an established vet like Marquis says he wants to take the ball every fifth day but he has a bit of soreness ... blame him?

Blame him for what?

Marquis is a competitor... of course he's going to say he's ok to go... but whenever a pitcher complains of any elbow soreness... every precaution should be taken, the least of which would be an MRI on the sore elbow.

[Kevrock]

The issue with Olsen is not what he has done this year, but how long he was pitching through an injury (and potentially making his injury worse) last year.

[blue911]

Didn't Marquis have to take a physical before signing?

[NeedaNewNick]

Didn't Marquis have to take a physical before signing?

yes, I doubt he'd be heading to the DL if he'd been pitching better, sort of gives him a way out

this looks like one of those could-go-either-way injuries, not like he needs TJ surgery or has a broken bone

[Evolution33]

DL for sucking.

[blue911]

yes, I doubt he'd be heading to the DL if he'd been pitching better, sort of gives him a way out

this looks like one of those could-go-either-way injuries, not like he needs TJ surgery or has a broken bone

Floating bodies or bone chips or whatever you want to call them are quite common especially for pitchers. What did they medical staff test him for, an enlarged prostate?

[JCA-CrystalCity]

If it's TJ surgery then that's $15 million COMPLETELY down the drain.   Should have been $15 million over THREE years.

Interesting idea. The Red Sox have been building medical coverage into a lot of their contracts.  For example, Lackey's 5 year has an extra option year at MLB minimum built in if he loses a year due to injury.  They have also built medical outs into the Drew signing as well as Beckett, I think.   To get Beltre to take less money and years than the As were offering, the Red Sox gave him a player option, so he can walk if he does well and gets coverage if he does not.

[edit - the Beltre deal I think is 1 year, $10m, with a $5m player option if he has < 575 PAs, a $1m buyout if he has 575 PAs, and a $10m player option if he has 640 PAs. He turned down 3 years/24M]

[welch]

- I know it's heartless, but if Olsen can't pitch, then, so be it, he won;t pitch for Washington.

- The right question on Marquis is whether he was checked before they signed him.

- Either way, pitchers break. How long did Wang, a really great pitcher, soldier on for the Yankees before they pulled him? And the Yankees have the best organization in baseball. Aside from the craziness that Von Steingrabber always brought, he always hired great staff. (Evidence: bringing The Scooter down to teach players to bunt when Joe Torre decided that enough was enough. OR hiring Frank Howard.)

[PANatsFan]

JCA, the Red Sox have the clout to demand medical clauses, but you know that.

[welch]

"Floating things" sounds like bone chips. That's not such a big deal for a pitcher.

Tommy John surgery is much, much worse. I'm old enough to have seen TJ before the surgery and then watched him when he was here with the Yankees. After the surgery, he won games because he was a real pitcher.

Therefore, I wish Jordan Zimmerman good luck, but don't expect him to come back and lead the staff. He's too young to have learned all that TJ knew before his arm went.

That's pitching. Some, like Tom Seaver, develop a motion that eases the stress on their arm. Others don't: read about Mark Fydrich (sp?)

Here's hoping young Atilano can really pitch.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

You're absolutely right about the Yankees and all, welch, but the problem is that last year this same kind of thing happened with Zimmermann, Stammen, Balester, Olsen, and Flores.

[PANatsFan]

Welch: Poster of the Week Nomination

[Ray D]

To the dl for "floating bodies"
What exactly is that?

Did you ever see Ten Commandments?  Watch after the part where Moses parts the Red Sea. Subsequently it comes back together, then you'll see lots of floating bodies.  Mostly Egyptians.

I doubt many Egyptians could fit in Marquis elbow, though.

[blue911]

Did you ever see Ten Commandments?  Watch after the part where Moses parts the Red Sea. Subsequently it comes back together, then you'll see lots of floating bodies.  Mostly Egyptians.

I doubt many Egyptians could fit in Marquis elbow, though.

All I remember from the 10 Commandments is Yvonne DeCarlo

[Ray D]

All I remember from the 10 Commandments is Yvonne DeCarlo

Funny, I remember her only as Lily in the Munsters.

[rodlang]

The injuries to the younger players give me some concern about the medical staff.  How could young Jordan Z for from #1 pitching prospect (prior to SS being drafted) to TJ surgery in about three months?  And the Flores shoulder injury was just missed, much worse than the medical staff originally indicated.  Management has to make it clear to the players that if something hurts, tell us and put it on a scale of 1-10.  Don't hide it.  And the docs have to be more proactive.

With Marquis, we have a veteran pitcher with no history of arm trouble.  I can see why they didn't shut him down until he said...hey this is more than the normal stiffness.  This is just some bad luck for Marquis and the team. 

[blue911]

Funny, I remember her only as Lily in the Munsters.

That's why I remember her. That and Edward G. Robinson, I kept expecting him to start talking like a south side hood.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Tommy John surgery is much, much worse. I'm old enough to have seen TJ before the surgery and then watched him when he was here with the Yankees. After the surgery, he won games because he was a real pitcher.

Therefore, I wish Jordan Zimmerman good luck, but don't expect him to come back and lead the staff. He's too young to have learned all that TJ knew before his arm went.

Actually, Welch, TJ was the first guinea pig for TJ surgery. Now the recovery is quite likely. Many pitchers end up with a better arm and harder stuff because they have a fresh tendon and learn even better mechanics.  Were I a betting man, odds would be in my favor on JZ at least throwing as hard as he did before surgery.  Look at the Andrew Brown thread in the Farm for his brother's comments on Andrew's ability to throw hard.  He makes the same point.

Control takes longer to get back after TJ.

TJ is much less of a concern than shoulder / rotator now.

[GburgNatsFan]

They should just replace the dang thing with kevlar.

Actually, Welch, TJ was the first guinea pig for TJ surgery. Now the recovery is quite likely. Many pitchers end up with a better arm and harder stuff because they have a fresh tendon and learn even better mechanics.  Were I a betting man, odds would be in my favor on JZ at least throwing as hard as he did before surgery.  Look at the Andrew Brown thread in the Farm for his brother's comments on Andrew's ability to throw hard.  He makes the same point.

Control takes longer to get back after TJ.

TJ is much less of a concern than shoulder / rotator now.

Actually, Welch, TJ was the first guinea pig for TJ surgery. Now the recovery is quite likely. Many pitchers end up with a better arm and harder stuff because they have a fresh tendon and learn even better mechanics.  Were I a betting man, odds would be in my favor on JZ at least throwing as hard as he did before surgery.  Look at the Andrew Brown thread in the Farm for his brother's comments on Andrew's ability to throw hard.  He makes the same point.

Control takes longer to get back after TJ.

TJ is much less of a concern than shoulder / rotator now.