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Offline Kevrock

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #775 on: November 04, 2010, 12:30:55 pm »
Second PA resulted in a bunt single (WTF?)

Why did you say WTF to this?

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #776 on: November 04, 2010, 12:50:00 pm »
You have to be careful with AFL numbers. Buster Posey batted .225 in the AFL while a guy like Jose Tabata who did nothing in the big leagues batted .392 in the AFL.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #777 on: November 04, 2010, 01:35:38 pm »
Why did you say WTF to this?
Why would Bryce Harper bunt?  Like... ever?

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #778 on: November 04, 2010, 01:39:09 pm »
Why would Bryce Harper bunt?  Like... ever?

If a third basemen is playing back, take the free base. This gets you on base but more importantly ensures third basemen can't play you deep and take away hits. Establish the threat of the bunt, but obviously it's not something Harper would do every game.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #779 on: November 04, 2010, 01:51:19 pm »
You have to be careful with AFL numbers. Buster Posey batted .225 in the AFL while a guy like Jose Tabata who did nothing in the big leagues batted .392 in the AFL.

Did nothing?

As a 21 year old in 2010 he only hit .299/.346/.400/.746 with 21 2B's and 19 SB in 405 AB's with the Pirates.

I find it hard to call that sort of production, "nothing".

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #780 on: November 04, 2010, 02:24:48 pm »
If a third basemen is playing back, take the free base. This gets you on base but more importantly ensures third basemen can't play you deep and take away hits. Establish the threat of the bunt, but obviously it's not something Harper would do every game.

Can anyone recall any Nat doing that this year?  I totally agree with you, but it doesn't seem to be a part of our arsenal.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #781 on: November 04, 2010, 02:29:55 pm »
Sometimes I wish Dunn would have done it; especially when the team was down a run or two.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #782 on: November 04, 2010, 02:31:39 pm »
Why would Bryce Harper bunt?  Like... ever?

Well, also - if Bryce Harper only bunted in situations where he was going to be successful 60% of the time (i.e. when the 3rd baseman was basically on the outfield grass) then his line for those situations would end up .600/.600/.600 for a Barry Bonds-ish OPS of 1.200. As long as he stuck to limited situations where he was going to be that successful, that's far more productive than he would be in a swinging at-bat.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #783 on: November 04, 2010, 02:38:50 pm »
Did nothing?

As a 21 year old in 2010 he only hit .299/.346/.400/.746 with 21 2B's and 19 SB in 405 AB's with the Pirates.

I find it hard to call that sort of production, "nothing".

Beat me to it, he had a good year.

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« Reply #784 on: November 04, 2010, 02:39:22 pm »
For example, Barry Bonds was 8-14 in his career on bunt attempts for base hits, for a .571/.571/.571 line. Arod is 8-15 for a .533/.533/.533 line.

Probably won't happen very often, but if it's a high enough percentage play then it's probably a productive play that also keeps the defense honest.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #785 on: November 04, 2010, 02:45:44 pm »
Do you guys remember when Bonds was a 5 tool player? Before the steroids?

Man, he was fun to watch.

Speed, power, defense, etc. etc.

Other than the Sid Bream play, he also had a pretty decent arm.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #786 on: November 04, 2010, 02:56:43 pm »
Can anyone recall any Nat doing that this year?  I totally agree with you, but it doesn't seem to be a part of our arsenal.

I can not recall. Arsenals can change, though. We'll likely have Harper longer than our manager.

Great stats about the career bunt lines of Bonds and A-Rod, NJ. Very neat. And I would definitely prefer for Harper to develop all the tools he can now. Then when he's in the bigs and knocking the ball out of the park we can have a healthy debate on whether bunt-for-hits are a waste of an at-bat. :)

Do you guys remember when Bonds was a 5 tool player? Before the steroids?

Yes. He was so fun to watch.

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« Reply #787 on: November 04, 2010, 03:01:05 pm »
He actually might be UNDERRATED as an all-around player. Out of the 817 players that have 5,000 career plate appearances, Barry Bonds is 6th in defensive WAR, behind Brooks Robinson, Mark Belanger, Ozzie Smith, Andruw Jones, and Roberto Clemente and tied with Willie Mays. And it's hard to count Jones because he basically had no decline period due to inactivity and DHing.

That's pretty freaking impressive for one of the top 3 hitters of all time.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #788 on: November 04, 2010, 03:03:38 pm »
It's probably the waste of an at-bat if there are men on second and third and he bunts for a selfish hit just to bring up Roger Bernadina up. It's probably not a waste of an at-bat if it's successful and there's nobody on base, unless he's putting up a .700 SLG percentage or something like that.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #789 on: November 04, 2010, 03:18:23 pm »
Can anyone recall any Nat doing that this year?  I totally agree with you, but it doesn't seem to be a part of our arsenal.

Not this year, but Zimmerman used to do it occasionally in years past.

It's nice to know that Harper can bunt, although I doubt he'll be asked to do it often.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #790 on: November 04, 2010, 03:26:05 pm »
In fact, Zimmerman is apparently really good at it! 16-20 in his career, .800/.800/.800.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #791 on: November 04, 2010, 03:54:54 pm »
Not this year


 :bang:

It seemed open all year.  What's wrong with keeping the defense honest?  I'd have liked nothing better than to see Dunn tap one towards 3rd base and trot to first slowly while the 3rd baseman jogs over from his "Dunn shift" position behind 2nd base to field it.

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« Reply #792 on: November 04, 2010, 03:57:02 pm »
Yep.

I'm sort of surprised he never took any outside pitches and just poked it down the line for an easy single.

It's not something you want to do all the time, but in a tie game, late, what's the harm in getting on-base? Especially when Willingham was still in the lineup.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #793 on: November 04, 2010, 04:02:25 pm »
Sign Dunn

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #794 on: November 04, 2010, 04:04:52 pm »
Adding Unmans

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #795 on: November 04, 2010, 08:03:12 pm »
What's wrong with keeping the defense honest?

Not a damn thing.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #796 on: November 04, 2010, 08:31:44 pm »
In fact, Zimmerman is apparently really good at it! 16-20 in his career, .800/.800/.800.

Zim is a stellar bunter. Riggleman is a poor manager, however.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #797 on: November 04, 2010, 09:51:16 pm »
Zim is a stellar bunter. Riggleman is a poor manager, however.

or zim could bunt more often on his own.  not always the manager's fault.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #798 on: November 05, 2010, 12:08:37 am »
We'll likely have Harper longer than our manager.

I sincerely hope so. I hated Riggleman when he managed the Cubs but gave him the benefit of the doubt when he was replacing Acta yet we could do better. Not buying out Riggleman will play second cousin to the potential of losing Dunn but it is the early frontrunner for my pick for the front office gaffe of 2011.

I know you can argue a manager has little impact on a season but I hate his predicable choices and think it matters more than I can quantify.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Watch
« Reply #799 on: November 05, 2010, 12:35:40 am »
I sincerely hope so. I hated Riggleman when he managed the Cubs but gave him the benefit of the doubt when he was replacing Acta yet we could do better. Not buying out Riggleman will play second cousin to the potential of losing Dunn but it is the early frontrunner for my pick for the front office gaffe of 2011.

I know you can argue a manager has little impact on a season but I hate his predicable choices and think it matters more than I can quantify.

I've been shocked with what's going on with Bobby Valentine. Here I was hoping he might replace Riggleman when he was still our interim manager. Then we have all these openings this season, an unbelievably high amount, and Valentine is almost certain to remain in broadcasting come opening day. Unless we sign Lee and some other FAs, let's face it, 2011 is already a likely lost cause. Even more considering we are essentially guaranteed to lose Dunn at this point. So barring an absurdly ridiculous amount of success next season, I almost hope to see us fail horribly if the alternative is another 65-70 win season. Clear out Riggleman, by the All-Star break, and sign Valentine. Then we don't have to worry about Riggleman's stupidity hurting the team in 2012 when we might have a legitimate shot at contention depending on Rizzo making the right moves.

I would definitely be upset if Riggleman is our manager going into 2012, because I believe he has a high risk of losing an extra 5-8 games by pulling boneheaded moves, and that might be the difference between a wild card spot in 2012 and another losing season. I still have hope that we see Valentine leading this club at some point, as I have since Acta was fired. But unfortunately, our owners are the Lerners. And while I'm not on the LAC bandwagon that many are, they clearly have shown that they aren't interested and don't believe in paying anything for managerial positions. Obviously, given Valentine is still unemployed, no club wi that attitude will get him. He's either asking for the moon and the stars, or else his time in Japan has rendered him either totally obnoxious and unemployable, or his baseball IQ has dropped. There's no reason he's not been hired outside those.

Regardless of my hopes for Valentine, we could hire nearly anyone qualified and they would be better than Riggleman. He makes horrible moves at times, at other times is ridiculously predictable, etc. etc. etc. His managing of the Nyjer Morgan clown show in September further showed me evidence he cannot control a clubhouse and manage players properly. So I sincerely hope that not only do we have Harper longer than Giggles the Clown, but that when Harper comes up, Riggleman won't be his manager. I'm not sure if that's likely or not at this point. Next season will definitely be the defining year of Riggleman's career. If he fails, he'll never manage in the Major's again. If he guides the team to 70 wins or above, we are probably stuck with him for 2012, which I believe impacts the likelihood we have the contending year so many believe significantly, and not for the better.