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Offline Burgess

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Dukes: a five tool player?
« on: May 07, 2009, 01:33:10 pm »
The definition of five tool player according to wikipedia: ''In baseball, a five-tool player is one who excels at hitting for average, hitting for power, baserunning skills and speed, throwing ability, and fielding abilities. ''

When he is on his game, Dukes can hit for average, for power and can also steal ( I would like him to be more aggressive on base stealing though). He does have a good arm but his fielding abilities aren't his best. All and all, do you consider Dukes as a five tool player? I hope he plays all season long as this kid is loaded with talent.
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Offline Minty Fresh

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2009, 01:34:05 pm »
I know a certain poster here who hopes Dukes has five tools.
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Offline The Chief

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2009, 01:35:11 pm »
Quote from: Minty Fresh on May 07, 2009, 01:34:05 pm
I know a certain poster here who hopes Dukes has five tools.

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Offline ronnynat

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2009, 01:36:42 pm »
If he's not, he's pretty damn close.
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Offline hammondsnats

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2009, 01:43:54 pm »
Quote from: Minty Fresh on May 07, 2009, 01:34:05 pm
I know a certain poster here who hopes Dukes has five tools.

hahahaha minty you're on a roll :clap:

Honestly, he's the closest thing we have to one.  So far this year he's done a lot of good things and has actually said a lot of the right things, he's been impressive.  He'll make a routine bonehead play and he'll get grief for it, but he's young and learning.  His arm is solid, he can track down some difficult flies to read, he possesses good speed (but his baserunning this year has been bad), he can hit singles the other way and he has pop. 

He's better than milledge, maxwell, bernadina, willingham and kearns and it's not close.  I'd like to think Burgess one day will complement him nicely in right and those two could combine for 60+ homers a year. 
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Offline GburgNatsFan

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2009, 01:55:47 pm »
Baserunning gaffs lately make me wonder if I over-rated his base path prowess, which I thought was outstanding. Maybe he's just pressing, trying to make things happen. His arm is good, but it's not Kearns good. He fields okay. His athleticism helps him get to things that more skilled, lesser athletes might not be able to.

He's strong with the bat.

He's not a five-tool guy. At least, he hasn't demonstrated it. But he's a hell of an athlete will all sorts of up-side.

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Quote from: Burgess on May 07, 2009, 01:33:10 pm
The definition of five tool player according to wikipedia: ''In baseball, a five-tool player is one who excels at hitting for average, hitting for power, baserunning skills and speed, throwing ability, and fielding abilities. ''

When he is on his game, Dukes can hit for average, for power and can also steal ( I would like him to be more aggressive on base stealing though). He does have a good arm but his fielding abilities aren't his best. All and all, do you consider Dukes as a five tool player? I hope he plays all season long as this kid is loaded with talent.
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Offline spidernat

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2009, 01:58:43 pm »
He is very close to it. AZ is mostly interested in one of his tools though.
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Offline ronnynat

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2009, 02:00:57 pm »
Quote from: GburgNatsFan on May 07, 2009, 01:55:47 pm
His arm is good, but it's not Kearns good.

A couple of people have said this. I don't agree. I think both of their arms are great, but Dukes' is stronger and his accuracy is just as good or better.
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Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2009, 02:03:28 pm »
Quote from: GburgNatsFan on May 07, 2009, 01:55:47 pm

He's not a five-tool guy. At least, he hasn't demonstrated it. But he's a hell of an athlete will all sorts of up-side.



there is a difference between tools and skills

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The tools are primarily in reference to position players. A scout will rate a player’s skill level for each of the five tools: hitting, power, fielding, arm strength and speed.

skills are the ability to use the tools, i.e. strike zone judgement, baserunning (as opposed to raw speed)

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Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2009, 02:06:38 pm »
He's got the potential.  He's not there yet, but he's getting there.
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Offline shoeshineboy

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2009, 03:00:43 pm »
He's definitely a five-tool player. It is simply a matter of refining them with practice and experience. The tools are there.
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Offline Air Zimmerman

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2009, 03:05:30 pm »
YES.

HE'S A FIVE TOOL FORCE.

p.s.

Dukes arm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kearns arm.
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Offline The Chief

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2009, 03:07:53 pm »
Quote from: DPMOmaha on May 07, 2009, 02:06:38 pm
He's got the potential.  He's not there yet, but he's getting there.

Well it certainly doesn't seem he's ever going to get there with Manny at the helm.
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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2009, 03:16:11 pm »
Dukes has great potential but he obviously lacks the discipline he needs, and it's foolish to expect he'll get it from a last-place club with so much front office disarray.
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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2009, 02:12:55 am »
Quote from: ronnynat on May 07, 2009, 02:00:57 pm
A couple of people have said this. I don't agree. I think both of their arms are great, but Dukes' is stronger and his accuracy is just as good or better.

No.  Kearns arm is much better.  Dukes has probably the second best arm in the outfield with Maxwell close. 
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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2009, 02:16:31 am »
he was a real tool tonight out in center field in the 1st inning!
he has a 6th tool "sweating" i've never seen someone pour sweat like him before!
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Offline Obed_Marsh

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2009, 02:46:25 am »
Quote from: Burgess on May 07, 2009, 01:33:10 pm
The definition of five tool player according to wikipedia: ''In baseball, a five-tool player is one who excels at hitting for average, hitting for power, baserunning skills and speed, throwing ability, and fielding abilities.

To me it is clear that by the commonly accepted definition Dukes has the potential but is not yet a five tool player. Hopefully we find out the truth while he plays in D.C. and A.Z. takes homoerotic foot fetish to clubs and forums more suited to his man love.
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Offline Air Zimmerman

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2009, 02:48:49 am »
Quote from: big dizzy on May 08, 2009, 02:16:31 am
he was a real tool tonight out in center field in the 1st inning!
he has a 6th tool "sweating" i've never seen someone pour sweat like him before!

- i agree, his arm strength is absurd.
- i've come to the conclusion that Dukes pours water on himself in the dugout. there's no way he sweats like that.
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Offline cmdterps44

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2009, 02:50:45 am »
Dukes can be a Five Tool Player, he has shown that he can be, but it seems he needs to be consistent to be labeled that. Hes still a hell of a player
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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2009, 02:51:29 am »
Quote from: Air Zimmerman on May 08, 2009, 02:48:49 am
- i agree, his arm strength is absurd.

He wasnt using Tool as a good word for his display in the first inning, at least thats what I took it for. Not calling off Dunn and just letting the ball drop.
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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2009, 02:57:58 am »
bingo 44, and he almost got dunn killed in the process!
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Offline Air Zimmerman

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2009, 03:07:01 am »
Quote from: cmdterps44 on May 08, 2009, 02:51:29 am
He wasnt using Tool as a good word for his display in the first inning, at least thats what I took it for. Not calling off Dunn and just letting the ball drop.

i knew what he was talking about.
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Offline blue911

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2009, 09:40:35 am »
Quote from: big dizzy on May 08, 2009, 02:16:31 am
he was a real tool tonight out in center field in the 1st inning!
he has a 6th tool "sweating" i've never seen someone pour sweat like him before!

Never seen Gary Williams?
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Offline Nat of the Living Dead

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Re: Dukes: a five tool player?
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2009, 09:52:33 am »
Quote from: thom202 on May 08, 2009, 02:46:25 am
To me it is clear that by the commonly accepted definition Dukes has the potential but is not yet a five tool player. Hopefully we find out the truth while he plays in D.C. and A.Z. takes homoerotic foot fetish to clubs and forums more suited to his man love.

This. Totally this. Right now his baserunning and fielding are still very questionable.
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