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Offline UMDNats

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2008, 07:00:33 pm »
plan B is clone Elijah Dukes 8 times and have him play every position, including pitcher

Offline cmdterps44

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2008, 07:00:34 pm »
What do we do about our need for a Lefthand Power hitter then?

Offline ronnynat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2008, 07:03:07 pm »
Dunn- nay
Hudson- yay

i don't care what anyone says, i don't want a sub .240 hitter, strikeout machine, who plays putrid defense. he's also a terrible situational hitter. i found an UNBELIEVABLE stat about his inability to hit a simple sacrifice fly:

• Eleven times in history has a player hit three sacrifice flies in one game, including Chad Kreuter, and the last being Edgar Martinez in 2002. Then there's Adam Dunn, who has 15 sacrifice flies in his career, two more than Lee has this year. In 2004-05, Dunn went 1,085 plate appearances without a sacrifice fly. He had 65 chances -- runner at third base, less than two outs -- before he finally broke his streak with a fly ball to left field. The crowd at Great American Ballpark cheered him. Dunn raised his arms in triumph.

PATHETIC.

i believe watching Dunn fail as a National would be incredibly frustrating and frankly infuriating and not worth the occasional homer.

Your boyfriend has 3 sac flies in his career. It's not that big of a deal.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2008, 07:04:34 pm »
Dunn is a better option than Kory Casto at First. that's all I know.

Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2008, 07:06:10 pm »
Your boyfriend has 3 sac flies in his career. It's not that big of a deal.

I responded with logic holes - you used numbers and meanness. Potato, potato :lol:
Dunn is a better option than Kory Casto at First. that's all I know.

So is Doug Minzjfgkialsdkgfdwicz

Offline ronnynat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2008, 07:14:10 pm »
Dunn's career numbers with a man on third and less than 2 outs:

 I Split          G   GS    PA    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  IBB  SO  HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB   CS   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  BAbip tOPS+ Split
+-+------------+----+----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+----+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------------+
   --3,lt 2 out  240        266   186        50  11   1  12  137   54  15   67   5   0  21   3  10    3   2  .269  .410  .532  .942  .297   110 --3,lt 2 out


Nothing wrong w/ those numbers.

Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2008, 07:15:49 pm »
Dunn's career numbers with a man on third and less than 2 outs:

 I Split          G   GS    PA    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  IBB  SO  HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB   CS   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  BAbip tOPS+ Split
+-+------------+----+----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+----+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------------+
   --3,lt 2 out  240        266   186        50  11   1  12  137   54  15   67   5   0  21   3  10    3   2  .269  .410  .532  .942  .297   110 --3,lt 2 out


Nothing wrong w/ those numbers.

:rofl: 2 GIDP. 2!!!!! 1,2!!!!! THAT'S IT. OPS of almost 950. Stop making so much sense!

Offline ronnynat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2008, 07:17:52 pm »
:rofl: 2 GIDP. 2!!!!! 1,2!!!!! THAT'S IT. OPS of almost 950. Stop making so much sense!

Haha. Where did you get 2 from? I see 10. :lol:  Still, that's not bad at all.

Shoot, did it not line up right?

Offline spidernat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2008, 07:18:39 pm »
Except that unsourced anecdote fails to mention how many times he got singles, doubles, walks, triples, home runs, or reached on error in those situations. The guy does NOT have problems getting the ball out of the infield. He doesn't hit into DP. My bunk detector went off.


QFT  :clap: AZ is a moron.

And by the way if we get Dunn, I highly doubt NJ will be here (he said he doesn't want to be a backup).


freak NJ, he's never healthy enough to have the luxury of saying that.

Dunn's career numbers with a man on third and less than 2 outs:

 I Split          G   GS    PA    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  IBB  SO  HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB   CS   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  BAbip tOPS+ Split
+-+------------+----+----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+----+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------------+
   --3,lt 2 out  240        266   186        50  11   1  12  137   54  15   67   5   0  21   3  10    3   2  .269  .410  .532  .942  .297   110 --3,lt 2 out


Nothing wrong w/ those numbers.

Those numbers may be spit on by the BP crew.  :rofl:

plan B is clone Elijah Dukes 8 times and have him play every position, including pitcher

Make it 9 times so we can send one to AZ's house and he'll stop flooding the board with his bullcrap.

Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2008, 07:19:06 pm »
Only misaligned when I hit quote. 10 I like 1.5 per season. Great numbers!!

Offline ronnynat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2008, 07:23:51 pm »
Zimmerman would easily have a 110+ RBI season with Dunn batting in front of him. Don't know how many wins that would translate into, though. But runs are runs. We need some runs.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2008, 07:26:30 pm »
With the amount of times Dunn walks I would be concerned about Zimmerman's GIDP.

Offline Air Zimmerman

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2008, 07:30:39 pm »
Zimmerman would easily have a 110+ RBI season with Dunn batting in front of him. Don't know how many wins that would translate into, though. But runs are runs. We need some runs.

Dunn batting in front of Zimmerman? didn't know Dunn bats #2. interesting. Zimmerman is and always will be our #3 hitter. deal with it.

Offline houston-nat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2008, 07:30:51 pm »
Zimmerman would easily have a 110+ RBI season with Dunn batting in front of him. Don't know how many wins that would translate into, though. But runs are runs. We need some runs.
In 2008, we scored 641 runs (3.98 per game) and allowed 825 (5.12 per game). If we blatantly double Zimmerman's RBI total (51 -> 102), up Dukes' from 44 to 64, and exchange the 64 by Johnson+Casto+Boone for 100 by Dunn, that gets us to 4.61 runs per game. OF COURSE this is blatantly unscientific and purely speculative, but it sure as hell is an improvement - almost a 20% improvement in fact!

Offline spidernat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2008, 07:34:42 pm »
What if we also lower our runs per game allowed to 4.6?  :lol:

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2008, 07:37:51 pm »
What if we also lower our runs per game allowed to 4.6?  :lol:

You sure thats not per at bat? :rofl:

Offline houston-nat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2008, 07:39:27 pm »
What if we also lower our runs per game allowed to 4.6?  :lol:
Well, if Scott Olsen > Tim Redding, then we need to find some superior replacements to Odalis Perez and Ayala/Colome, and bada bing. However, with signing Dunn, I think keeping our defense up would have to be a priority in order to reduce our runs allowed. Yes, Zimmerman is money, but with Bonifacio gone and Dunn at the first bag we would have some problems to work on.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2008, 07:40:31 pm »
Fact is, despite AZ and Sportsfans dislike of the guy, Dunn is a clear upgrade over Casto/Belliard/Boone at 1B.

Offline shoeshineboy

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2008, 07:40:47 pm »
What if we also lower our runs per game allowed to 4.6?  :lol:

Which is actually higher than our team ERA in 2007 (4.58) when we started ST with a casting call for pitchers. So it is not an unreasonable expectation. Bullpen help will be the key.

Offline cmdterps44

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2008, 07:41:20 pm »
Dunn batting in front of Zimmerman? didn't know Dunn bats #2. interesting. Zimmerman is and always will be our #3 hitter. deal with it.

Or if you used your melon, Zimmerman could be number 5 with Dunn at 4.

Offline UMDNats

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2008, 07:42:59 pm »
Dunn batting in front of Zimmerman? didn't know Dunn bats #2. interesting. Zimmerman is and always will be our #3 hitter. deal with it.

lol

Offline spidernat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2008, 07:43:06 pm »
Or if you used your melon, Zimmerman could be number 5 with Dunn at 4.

:rofl:

Zimmerman is and always will be our #3 hitter. deal with it.

I'd be willing to take that bet.

Offline ronnynat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2008, 07:43:15 pm »
I'm not saying I want to get him, but what would we have to give up, pick wise, if we got Oliver Perez? He's a Type A.

Offline KnorrForYourMoney

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2008, 07:43:25 pm »
I have a sinking feeling that Willingham and Olsen will put up worse numbers next year.

Reason: They won't be playing against the Nationals.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2008, 07:45:24 pm »
Fact is, despite AZ and Sportsfans dislike of the guy, Dunn is a clear upgrade over Casto/Belliard/Boone at 1B.

The added big bat threat would help, too. On this team, I consider him an upgrade over a healthy NJ. (here comes Tom...)