Author Topic: Plan "B" (Read 136561 times)

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1275 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:46:50 pm »

Quote from: ronnynat on January 05, 2009, 09:45:06 pm

Maybe the plan is to have them both compete for center, then the "loser" plays in right.

Regardless, if you'd stop being a fan over that, you're a pos in my book.

giving kearns another opportunity to start in our outfield, i consider our front office a bunch of POS in my book.

i pray every night that kearns AND wmp aren't here come spring training.

ronnynat · « **Reply #1276 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:48:16 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on January 05, 2009, 09:46:50 pm

giving kearns another opportunity to start in our outfield, i consider our front office a bunch of POS in my book.

I don't think the FO makes those kinds of decisions.

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #1277 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:49:52 pm »

I "hope" its the option of having the "loser" play RF.

I don't want Kearns out there in right, just because Dukes has that hell of an arm. I guess we can give him a tryout in in ST, I don't see anything positive from him though. 2007 he didn't look all that great either. Whatever though, we shall see.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #1278 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:49:52 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on January 05, 2009, 09:46:50 pm

giving kearns another opportunity to start in our outfield, i consider our front office a bunch of POS in my book.

i pray every night that kearns AND wmp aren't here come spring training.

What are we going to do? Just eat Kearns' and Pena's combined $10 Million dollars worth of salary?

We need to try and get production from both, not only to help us win but both players could also be traded at the deadline if they perform well since both of their contracts run out after this season.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1279 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:49:53 pm »

Quote from: ronnynat on January 05, 2009, 09:48:16 pm

I don't think the FO makes those kinds of decisions.

they can simply release his worthless @$$ ... or take a bunch of hot dogs/napkins in return for his services (and agree to eat some of his overpaid salary).

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1280 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:50:34 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on January 05, 2009, 09:49:52 pm

What are we going to do? Just eat Kearns' and Pena's combined $10 Million dollars worth of salary?

We need to try and get production from both, not only to help us win but both players could also be traded at the deadline if they perform well since both of their contracts run out after this season.

yeah how did that work out last year?

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #1281 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:52:31 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on January 05, 2009, 09:50:34 pm

yeah how did that work out last year?

So instead of trying to get the players to play better we should just pay them a combined $10 Million just to sit on a couch all season?

Kearns and Pena will get 1 last shot here in D.C. come Spring Training I believe.

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #1282 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:53:33 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on January 05, 2009, 09:49:52 pm

What are we going to do? Just eat Kearns' and Pena's combined $10 Million dollars worth of salary?

We need to try and get production from both, not only to help us win but both players could also be traded at the deadline if they perform well since both of their contracts run out after this season.

Eh, i would want them to be traded right now for a prospect at least or something along those lines of packaging up and getting a player we could benefit from.

I guess its hard to look at a perfect world though. (See Tex and the nats...)

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #1283 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:55:31 pm »

A point that people often bring up in defense of Kearns is: yeah, he sucks, but we're gonna pay a 4th outfielder 8 million dollars? Quite frankly, that's a ridiculous point to make. Does him starting validate that money, even if he doesn't play up to the caliber of a starting RFer? I'd rather bench him and pay him that money than start him if he's gonna suck.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #1284 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:55:43 pm »

Quote from: cmdterps44 on January 05, 2009, 09:53:33 pm

Eh, i would want them to be traded right now for a prospect at least or something along those lines of packaging up and getting a player we could benefit from.

I guess its hard to look at a perfect world though. (See Tex and the nats...)

No one is going to trade for Kearns right now. He's owed $8 Million this season and his value is as low as it's been in his career considering how poorly he has played the last few years.

You could say the same thing for Pena too. His salary of $2 Million is relatively reasonable but his value is also incredibly low after he had a terrible time last year at the plate and then got injured.

However, if one or both plays well we could definitely dump them before the trade deadline.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1285 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:56:08 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on January 05, 2009, 09:52:31 pm

So instead of trying to get the players to play better we should just pay them a combined $10 Million just to sit on a couch all season?

Kearns and Pena will get 1 last shot here in D.C. come Spring Training I believe.

or one of them can be a fourth outfielder (unfortunately) and instead of jimbo continuing to give "his boys" a second chance, we reward the guys that showed promise last year and actually contributed. this has nothing to do with milledge, it's the principle.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1286 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:57:06 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on January 05, 2009, 09:55:43 pm

However, if one or both plays well we could definitely dump them before the trade deadline.

haha you ready for a 110 loss season?

DCFan · « **Reply #1287 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:57:43 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on January 05, 2009, 09:57:06 pm

haha you ready for a 110 loss season?

WWBD?

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #1288 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:59:26 pm »

I could see us doing the loser method and putting the other in Right.

Kearns is probably our 4th outfielder right now, he has to be. I dont think thats bad for him since his glove is mediocre. I guess a ST invite wouldn't matter, I just hope we don't have this affect anything as in signing a Dunn or something for 1B (i dont know how it would)

Just kinda angry its quite on our front right now as of the Tex signing. I want to know SOME news that benefits us!!

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #1289 on:** January 05, 2009, 10:00:24 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on January 05, 2009, 09:57:06 pm

haha you ready for a 110 loss season?

freak no. I'm dreading it. I want so badly for this team to be competitive NOW. I'd be devastated if we got off to another pathetic start out of the gates and are 10+ games under .500 come May.

Like I've said though, if we lose 100 games again we'll know that the young players we have are horrible and we need to completely overhaul the roster.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1290 on:** January 05, 2009, 10:05:09 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on January 05, 2009, 10:00:24 pm

freak no. I'm dreading it. I want so badly for this team to be competitive NOW. I'd be devastated if we got off to another pathetic start out of the gates and are 10+ games under .500 come May.

Like I've said though, if we lose 100 games again we'll know that the young players we have are horrible and we need to completely overhaul the roster.

HAHA my point exactly. then why the hell would u give kearns/wmp a shot over milledge/dukes if we're trying to go young. our FO/think tank needs to just admit we made a mistake, cut our losses. kearns is a lost cause, wmp was never was to begin with.

DCFan · « **Reply #1291 on:** January 05, 2009, 10:05:55 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on January 05, 2009, 10:00:24 pm

Like I've said though, if we lose 100 games again we'll know that the young players we have are horrible and we need to completely overhaul the roster.

No need to wait - call up Chip Foose and start the overhaul.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #1292 on:** January 05, 2009, 10:10:06 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on January 05, 2009, 10:05:09 pm

HAHA my point exactly. then why the hell would u give kearns/wmp a shot over milledge/dukes if we're trying to go young. just admit we made a mistake, cut our losses. kearns is a lost cause, wmp was never was to begin with.

Believe me, I hope neither Kearns or Pena are anywhere near the starting lineup for us next year. Just saying what I think is going to happen.

I don't have a problem with eating the salaries but I don't think the Lerners would feel the same way about just flushing $10 Mil down the toilet.

DCFan · « **Reply #1293 on:** January 05, 2009, 10:12:30 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on January 05, 2009, 10:10:06 pm

I don't have a problem with eating the salaries but I don't think the Lerners would feel the same way about just flushing $10 Mil down the toilet.

Why not since they've already written off Dmitri and they're ready to throw Nick under the bus if they could just get someone to sign on the dotted line.

natsfan4evr · « **Reply #1294 on:** January 05, 2009, 10:13:33 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on January 05, 2009, 09:55:43 pm

No one is going to trade for Kearns right now. He's owed $8 Million this season and his value is as low as it's been in his career considering how poorly he has played the last few years.

You could say the same thing for Pena too. His salary of $2 Million is relatively reasonable but his value is also incredibly low after he had a terrible time last year at the plate and then got injured.

However, if one or both plays well we could definitely dump them before the trade deadline.

How about we pay half of the salary? If it would bring a trade, I'd be for it.

DCFan · « **Reply #1295 on:** January 05, 2009, 10:15:09 pm »

Quote from: natsfan4evr on January 05, 2009, 10:13:33 pm

How about we pay half of the salary? If it would bring a trade, I'd be for it.

No one else would tho. Why would anyone take on his $4 mil (half of what he'll make this year) when they could sign Wilkerson for a quarter of that and get the same production?

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1296 on:** January 05, 2009, 10:15:34 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on January 05, 2009, 10:10:06 pm

Believe me, I hope neither Kearns or Pena are anywhere near the starting lineup for us next year. Just saying what I think is going to happen.

I don't have a problem with eating the salaries but I don't think the Lerners would feel the same way about just flushing $10 Mil down the toilet.

that's why we're the joke of MLB. our front office makes these idiotic decisions and if that were the case, it's a shame our owner wouldn't just bite the bullet and eat the money. most other teams will take the stance of a) just bench that player and make them a fourth outfielder/etc (the dodgers did that w/ jones after admitting he was a mistake) or b) the owners would just cut their losses.

spidernat · « **Reply #1297 on:** January 05, 2009, 10:22:02 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on January 05, 2009, 09:56:08 pm

this has nothing to do with milledge, it's the principle.

If you had to say it, it's about Milledge.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1298 on:** January 05, 2009, 10:25:41 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on January 05, 2009, 10:22:02 pm

If you had to say it, it's about Milledge.

it could be with flores, guzman, zimmerman, lannan, anyone ... the fact is if someone got the job done last year, is younger, stayed healthy ... why would you negate what they did the prior season and discount their potential for one of your boys who hasn't done much in his career thus far.

HTT · « **Reply #1299 on:** January 05, 2009, 10:36:04 pm »

Nobody is going to trade for NJ, Kearns or Pena until they see them show up in Spring Training and show that they are healthy enough to play. That said, we're not cutting them before then, either. It's not like the one million for Patterson. At least if they play OK, they could be traded at some point during the season.

We're going to need a 4th outfielder at some point and if Kearns is it, then I'm fine with it -no matter what we're paying him.