Tex and the Nats...

[spidernat]

Sore spots:

Hammondsnats=Manny/Tex
Spidernat=Techno music
UMDNats=Roethlisberger
PANatsFA=Gay jokes (unless he's the one telling them) 

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I didn't even know that was techno music. My only beef was with your hypocrisy considering all the whining you've done in the past about me making gay jokes.

[cmdterps44]

hey i wanna get rowdy, the boards have more action. Everyones cranky now because its off season and we dont have our dose of baseball.

[PANatsFan]

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I didn't even know that was techno music. My only beef was with your hypocrisy considering all the whining you've done in the past about me making gay jokes.

Wasn't making one - sorry you saw what wasn't there.

  "Let me clear my throat"  - DJ Kool, Doug E Fresh, and Biz Markie

- Vengaboys

You are dreaming pal

[PANatsFan]

hey i wanna get rowdy, the boards have more action. Everyones cranky now because its off season and we dont have our dose of baseball.

I'm having a hell of a day and I'm done with nonsense. Signing a 1b for 10 years is nonsense, unless he hits like Babe freaking Ruth

[PANatsFan]

Dunn would be a terrific acquisition as a 1B.  He's a very good hitter, he has immense power, and he's a left-handed bat.  He's only a really crippling fielding liability in the outfield.  Put him at first and he'll at least be able to use his size to make some good stretches.

But you know the knocks on Dunn.  "Strikes out too much."  As if strikeouts are so much worse than other outs, especially when you have guys like Milledge and Zimmerman who ground into DP's.  "He doesn't hit for enough average."  Oh yeah, forget the fact that his four-year average in OBP is in another stratosphere.

Edit: I don't think Tex is markedly better than Dunn at all, for the record.  I just don't think we should shy away from Tex just because of his contract.  There's no salary cap in baseball, so that kind of thing shouldn't be a huge concern.

Aahh sense!

[cmdterps44]

Nonsense, how? Couldn't we always trade him near the end of it and send him to AL to DH? not to sure about what i just said

[hammondsnats]

Oh boy, it looks like we've found another hammondsnats mancrush.

He seems to get really hot and bothered when someone disses Manny Ramirez.

this is the last time i speak of youkilis vs manny topic ... manny helped win the red sox two world series and has taken that organization to where it is today.  youk's previous career high in homers was 16 and he really thought he had done enough in his career to step to manny who had done so much for that team (oh and was hitting around .350 when he left boston - yeah he was throwing away the season). 

and for the record, go look @ my posts - I DON'T WANT manny in washington. 

and the man crush thing from you is a bit odd.  especially sine you are the one who has backed up sportsfan with your liking to bernadina and his potential.  well try someone who is two years younger than him ... and let's see led the team in:

a) rbis
b) stolen bases
c) was tied for homers

oh and he was injured for a whole month, playing CF for the first time full-time and was doing all this when he was just 22 YEARS OLD. 

[PANatsFan]

Nonsense, how? Couldn't we always trade him near the end of it and send him to AL to DH? not to sure about what i just said

Not with 10-5 protections. He'll have a full no trade clause. It's lunacy - unless we can't sign Dunn. And ACTAVation energy knows full well we have an effective salary cap in DC - hammondsnats isn't stupid, just dreaming

[hammondsnats]

and i think most of us are okay with dunn coming here, but for most of us the main priority/target is teixeira. 

[KnorrForYourMoney]

 

I can't believe you went on some tangent about how Lastings Milledge is so much better than Bernadina.

Yeah, I really advocated starting Bernadina over Milledge.

GTFOH

Go rub one off and come back.  Maybe your logic won't be so clouded.

[Nat of the Living Dead]

Go rub one off and come back. 

[hammondsnats]

I can't believe you went on some tangent about how Lastings Milledge is so much better than Bernadina.

Wow that's all you have to say in response?  Very well thought out answer young one. 

[spidernat]

Wow that's all you have to say in response?  Very well thought out answer young one. 

ACTAvation needs to come up with an answer/Bernadina equivalent to this before he sees hammondsnats on this topic.     

[MrMadison]

I didn't say start, I said have. We can always send him to Syracuse.

I want someone to prove mathematically that Tex will that much better than Dunn.

I'll use their 162-game average stats to make this comparison.

1 - Teixiera hits for a higher average( .290 vs .247), gets more hits(177 vs 137), and hits more doubles (40 vs 29). he also strikes out less (124 vs 180) and carries a higher Slugging Percentage (.541 vs .518)

2 - Dunn hits more HRs (40 vs 36), takes more walks (114 vs 78), and carries a higher OBP (.381 vs .378)

mathematically, you take Teixiera, because the extra doubles and hits with only slightly less HRs outweigh the Walks, imo.

but in the "watching the game and being able to break it down" (I think that was the terminology that was used here once upon a time) category, you take Teixiera for the following reasons in addition to "mathematics":

1. Teixiera is a switch-hitter, with virtually equal power from each side of the plate(using his .SLG splits)
2. Teixiera is a natural first baseman that plays stellar defense at the 1B position. Dunn is a league-average at best outfielder that you hope won't embarass himself at 1B.
3. Dunn has the reputation of someone who simply doesn't care and doesn't play hard. Teixeira holds the reputation of a "nice guy" (OH NOES, A NICE GUY!), but his production doesn't suffer because of it.
4. Teixiera is a well-rounded player who excels at several aspects of the game. Dunn is one-dimensional.

you take Teixiera if you can get him, unless years and money are your only concern.  then you take Dunn for cheaper and for less years.

as far as this organization goes, they need to go all out to get Teixiera, and if they fail, then get Dunn as a consolation prize. 

I don't understand the hero-worship of Adam Dunn.  I never did. I won't be upset if that is who we end up with, but to suggest that he should be preferable to Teixiera is folly, in ever aspect except "less years, less money".

*edit* forgot to cite where I am getting my numbers from:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/teixema01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/dunnad01.shtml

[spidernat]

I don't understand the hero-worship of Adam Dunn.  I won't be upset if that is who we end up with, but to suggest that he is better than Teixiera is folly in every aspect, including Mathematics.

2 - Dunn hits more HRs (40 vs 36), takes more walks (114 vs 78), and carries a higher OBP (.381 vs .378)

mathematically, you take Teixiera, because the extra doubles and hits with only slightly less HRs outweigh the Walks, imo.

Here is your answer. For some people, drawing walks has become the magnum opus of baseball achievement. Remember the trendy phrase "average does not matter. It's OBP that really counts". 

[hammondsnats]

very well thought out answer mr. madison, solid points (although i would gladly take dunn as consolation if/when we don't get teixeira).

and spider haha you always provide the comedy, nice work!  milledge is a stud.  i understand the joke about me and the orioles - and i've admitted they are my second team and there are a couple players on that squad i wouldn't mind over here.  what i don't get is where i get tabbed as having a man crush on Manny when all i was doing was siding with him (and ALSO stated I didn't really want him in DC).  And as far as teixeira goes, who wouldn't want him in their line-up? 

Unless of course energy wanted bernadina out there instead. 

[spidernat]

I'll vouch for hammondsnats on the Ramirez man crush. He reserves his man love for Milledge, LANNAN and Roberts.

[hammondsnats]

I'll vouch for hammondsnats on the Ramirez man crush. He reserves his man love for Milledge, LANNAN and Roberts.

haha thanks i needed backup against a kid on a message board!  (although he is a fellow nats fan)

as far as the others, milledge has the potential to keep on getting better, lannan - we all know - is a better man than i'll ever be, and b-rob would make a great leadoff hitter for us.  and you can throw balester in there, but he needs to build on this past year. 

[MrMadison]

Here is your answer. For some people, drawing walks has become the magnum opus of baseball achievement. Remember the trendy phrase "average does not matter. It's OBP that really counts". 

well, I'll admit that I subscribe to the "OBP really counts" theory(OPS is a my favorite stat, anyhow though), but Tex and Dunn's OBP's aren't really that far apart to use OBP as a valid point to suggest Dunn over Tex.

particularly considering everything else that Tex brings to the table. Dunn brings HRs and Walks and that's pretty much it. Tex is the complete package.

[spidernat]

well, I'll admit that I subscribe to the "OBP really counts" theory(OPS is a my favorite stat, anyhow though), but Tex and Dunn's OBP's aren't really that far apart to use OBP as a valid point to suggest Dunn over Tex.

particularly considering everything else that Tex brings to the table. Dunn brings HRs and Walks and that's pretty much it. Tex is the complete package.

I guess you can use the "average doesn't matter, it's OBP that really counts" nonsense to make a case for Dunn over Teixeira. If you take away their ability to get on base by hitting the ball Dunn has the edge .134 to .088, that's a .046 difference!   

[tomterp]

Remember the trendy phrase "average does not matter. It's OBP that really counts". 

Of course average matters, because it is a subset of the almighty        OBP     . 

[spidernat]

Of course average matters, because it is a subset of the almighty        OBP     . 

  You're absolutely correct tomterp. But seriously, how many times have people made that statement here on this board?

[tomterp]

  You're absolutely correct tomterp. But seriously, how many times have people made that statement here on this board?

It's wrong to say average doesn't matter, but it's right to say that generally OBP is more meaningful, though both impart information omitted by the other.  I like to know both, since then you can deduce the walks and HBP that make up OBP, to get a fuller profile.  Dunn fleshes out the debate because some people are fixated on his strikeouts and low average, but fail to give adequate weight to his walks and power.

[ronnynat]

Teixeira interested in playing for Nats
Maryland native intrigued by idea of returning home

WASHINGTON -- It has been reported several times that the Nationals have interest in signing free-agent first baseman Mark Teixeira. MLB.com has learned that the feeling is mutual, according to a person familiar with Teixeira's thinking.

Teixeira is from Maryland and is thinking about the possibility of playing in Washington. He played baseball, basketball and soccer at Mt. St. Joseph's High School in Baltimore. He set Maryland state records for career homers (29), RBIs (105) and runs (128).

"[Maryland] is his home," said the source. "In some instances, I think players often tend to look at that in a different light than other franchises."

The source didn't go into details about Teixeira's contract demands, but said the switching-hitting first baseman is looking for a contract that is better than Miguel Cabrera's deal. The Tigers first baseman signed an eight-year, $153.3 million contract during Spring Training last season. The source pointed out that Teixeira is a complete player and is in better shape than Cabrera.

Several calls were placed to Teixeira's agent, Scott Boras, but were not returned, and general manager Jim Bowden and team president Stan Kasten have declined to comment on the Nationals' offseason plans.

MLB.com was the first to report on Nov. 2 that the Nationals were interested in Teixeira, who hit a combined .303 with 33 home runs and 121 RBIs for the Braves and Angels last season.

The Nationals are looking for a first baseman because of Nick Johnson's history with injuries and Dmitri Young's troubles with diabetes and staying in shape.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081119&content_id=3685476&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp&partnerId=rss_mlb

Don't get your hopes up.

[PatsNats28]