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Alternative Energy Plan
« Topic Start: July 24, 2008, 08:20:09 AM »
Here's something that looks interesting as an alternative energy plan:


http://www.PickensPlan.Com/


America is addicted to foreign oil.   :evil:
It's an addiction that threatens our economy, our environment and our national security. It touches every part of our daily lives and ties our hands as a nation and a people.

The addiction has worsened for decades and now it's reached a point of crisis.

In 1970, we imported 24% of our oil.
Today it's nearly 70% and growing.
As imports grow and world prices rise, the amount of money we send to foreign nations every year is soaring. At current oil prices, we will send $700 billion dollars out of the country this year alone — that's four times the annual cost of the Iraq war.



Projected over the next 10 years the cost will be $10 trillion — it will be the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind.

America uses a lot of oil. Every day 85 million barrels of oil are produced around the world. And 21 million of those are used here in the United States.

That's 25% of the world's oil demand. Used by just 4% of the world's population.

Can't we just produce more oil?

World oil production peaked in 2005. Despite growing demand and an unprecedented increase in prices, oil production has fallen over the last three years. Oil is getting more expensive to produce, harder to find and there just isn't enough of it to keep up with demand.

The simple truth is that cheap and easy oil is gone.

What's the good news?

The United States is the Saudi Arabia of wind power.
 
Studies from around the world show that the Great Plains states are home to the greatest wind energy potential in the world — by far.

The Department of Energy reports that 20% of America's electricity can come from wind. North Dakota alone has the potential to provide power for more than a quarter of the country.

Today's wind turbines stand up to 410 feet tall, with blades that stretch 148 feet in length. The blades collect the wind's kinetic energy. In one year, a 3-megawatt wind turbine produces as much energy as 12,000 barrels of imported oil.

Wind power currently accounts for 48 billion kWh of electricity a year in the United States — enough to serve more than 4.5 million households. That is still only about 1% of current demand, but the potential of wind is much greater.

A 2005 Stanford University study found that there is enough wind power worldwide to satisfy global demand 7 times over — even if only 20% of wind power could be captured.

Building wind facilities in the corridor that stretches from the Texas panhandle to North Dakota could produce 20% of the electricity for the United States at a cost of $1 trillion. It would take another $200 billion to build the capacity to transmit that energy to cities and towns.

That's a lot of money, but it's a one-time cost. And compared to the $700 billion we spend on foreign oil every year, it's a bargain.

An economic revival for rural America.
Developing wind power is an investment in rural America.

To witness the economic promise of wind energy, look no further than Sweetwater, Texas.

Sweetwater was typical of many small towns in middle-America. With a shortage of good jobs, the youth of Sweetwater were leaving in search of greater opportunities. And the town's population dropped from 12,000 to under 10,000.

When a large wind power facility was built outside of town, Sweetwater experienced a revival. New economic opportunity brought the town back to life and the population has grown back up to 12,000.

In the Texas panhandle, just north of Sweetwater, is the town of Pampa, where T. Boone Pickens' Mesa Power is currently building the largest wind farm in the world.

At 4,000 megawatts — the equivalent combined output of four large coal-fire plants — the production of the completed Pampa facility will double the wind energy output of the United States.

In addition to creating new construction and maintenance jobs, thousands of Americans will be employed to manufacture the turbines and blades. These are high skill jobs that pay on a scale comparable to aerospace jobs.

Plus, wind turbines don't interfere with farming and grazing, so they don't threaten food production or existing local economies.

A cheap new replacement for foreign oil.
 The Honda Civic GX Natural Gas Vehicle is the cleanest internal-combustion vehicle in the world according to the EPA.
Natural gas and bio-fuels are the only domestic energy sources used for transportation.

Cleaner
Natural gas is the cleanest transportation fuel available today.

According to the California Energy Commission, critical greenhouse gas emissions from natural gas are 23% lower than diesel and 30% lower than gasoline.

Natural gas vehicles (NGV) are already available and combine top performance with low emissions. The natural gas Honda Civic GX is rated as the cleanest production vehicle in the world.

According to NGVAmerica, there are more than 7 million NGVs in use worldwide, but only 150,000 of those are in the United States.

The EPA estimates that vehicles on the road account for 60% of carbon monoxide pollution and around one-third of hydrocarbon and nitrogen oxide emissions in the United States. As federal and state emissions laws become more stringent, many requirements will be unattainable with conventionally fueled vehicles.

Since natural gas is significantly cleaner than petroleum, NGVs are increasing in popularity. The Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach recently announced that 16,800 old diesel trucks will be replaced, and half of the new vehicles will run on alternatives such as natural gas.

Cheaper
Natural gas is significantly less expensive than gasoline or diesel. In places like Utah and Oklahoma, prices are less than $1 a gallon. To see fueling stations and costs in your area, check out cngprices.com.

Domestic
Natural gas is our country's second largest energy resource and a vital component of our energy supply. 98% of the natural gas used in the United States is from North America. But 70% of our oil is purchased from foreign nations.

Natural gas is one of the cleanest, safest and most useful forms of energy — residentially, commercially and industrially. The natural gas industry has existed in the United States for over 100 years and continues to grow.

Domestic natural gas reserves are twice that of petroleum. And new discoveries of natural gas and ongoing development of renewable biogas are continually adding to existing reserves.

While it is a cheap, effective and versatile fuel, less than 1% of natural gas is currently used for transportation.

The Mechanics
   

We currently use natural gas to produce 22% of our electricity. Harnessing the power of wind to generate electricity will give us the flexibility to shift natural gas away from electricity generation and put it to use as a transportation fuel — reducing our dependence on foreign oil by more than one-third.

How do we get it done?
The Pickens Plan is a bridge to the future — a blueprint to reduce foreign oil dependence by harnessing domestic energy alternatives, and buy us time to develop even greater new technologies.

Building new wind generation facilities and better utilizing our natural gas resources can replace more than one-third of our foreign oil imports in 10 years. But it will take leadership.

On January 20th, 2009, a new President will take office.

We're organizing behind the Pickens Plan now to ensure our voices will be heard by the next administration.

Together we can raise a call for change and set a new course for America's energy future in the first hundred days of the new presidency — breaking the hammerlock of foreign oil and building a new domestic energy future for America with a focus on sustainability.


Offline kimnat

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Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #1: July 24, 2008, 10:34:39 AM »
Wind power is a huge alternate we should really tap into.  Now if we could only harness some energy that exudes from super active children!  :lol:

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Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #2: July 24, 2008, 10:52:07 AM »
Haven't had time to read the post or the website so maybe I should keep my mouth shut (never stopped me before :D )

In rural PA, when they want to put in wind power stations, people go bananas. They don't want them in their town; too noisy, too ugly, they find any number of reasons. It's ridiculous, but it will come up, I promise.

As for Pickens, I just don't trust him. I read that senators yesterday were fawning over him, but he brazenly wore a tie with big elephants on it, even though he's "non-partisan" now. Maybe I hold a grudge too long . . . (and his name reminds me of Slim Pickens, so how do I take him seriously?)

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Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #3: July 24, 2008, 10:53:03 AM »
Wind power is a huge alternate we should really tap into.  Now if we could only harness some energy that exudes from super active children!  :lol:

Reminds me of people who want to harness emissions from farm animals :lol:

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Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #4: July 24, 2008, 12:11:01 PM »
The NIMBY reaction to wind turbines could be real - unless the space between the stations and residential areas is large, such as in the plains states.  Actually, there was a wind turbine built this past year on the outer banks.  It could be a model for other turbine construction.

Pickens may be in this just to make money.  But I have a feeling money isn't the issue here, for he's made enough.  He's like being in the last term of one's presidency and wanting to make a name for himself in history books.

Haven't had time to read the post or the website so maybe I should keep my mouth shut (never stopped me before :D )

In rural PA, when they want to put in wind power stations, people go bananas. They don't want them in their town; too noisy, too ugly, they find any number of reasons. It's ridiculous, but it will come up, I promise.

As for Pickens, I just don't trust him. I read that senators yesterday were fawning over him, but he brazenly wore a tie with big elephants on it, even though he's "non-partisan" now. Maybe I hold a grudge too long . . . (and his name reminds me of Slim Pickens, so how do I take him seriously?)

Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #5: July 24, 2008, 12:20:23 PM »
Seriously, if we want to consider alternatives that are quick, natural, and effective, then the US needs to stop all this poppy cock and look at every sort of solution, including the production and distribution of products made out of industrial hemp (different from it's psychoactive cousin).

Everything from paper and clothes to fuel and concrete can be produced out of this single plant that can grow almost anywhere, reaches maturity at an astounding speed, and is highly cost efficient.

And before anyone says something stupid, no, you can't roll up a hemp shirt, paper, or product and smoke it. If you do, you can get very sick and possibly poisoned. Industrial hemp has little in common with it's black sheep family member.

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Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #6: July 24, 2008, 12:43:40 PM »
Seriously, if we want to consider alternatives that are quick, natural, and effective, then the US needs to stop all this poppy cock and look at every sort of solution, including the production and distribution of products made out of industrial hemp (different from it's psychoactive cousin).

Everything from paper and clothes to fuel and concrete can be produced out of this single plant that can grow almost anywhere, reaches maturity at an astounding speed, and is highly cost efficient.

And before anyone says something stupid, no, you can't roll up a hemp shirt, paper, or product and smoke it. If you do, you can get very sick and possibly poisoned. Industrial hemp has little in common with it's black sheep family member.

Haha I remember stupid kids smoking rope at summer camp. Morons.

Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #7: July 24, 2008, 01:02:03 PM »
Haha I remember stupid kids smoking rope at summer camp. Morons.

:rofl:

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Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #8: July 24, 2008, 01:20:00 PM »
In rural PA, when they want to put in wind power stations, people go bananas. They don't want them in their town; too noisy, too ugly, they find any number of reasons. It's ridiculous, but it will come up, I promise.

I wouldn't want to see those things either.  I'd rather chop my energy use in half than have that visual blight ruining the daily view.  That is, if I lived in a place with a view.

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Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #9: July 24, 2008, 02:04:54 PM »
I wouldn't want to see those things either.  I'd rather chop my energy use in half than have that visual blight ruining the daily view.  That is, if I lived in a place with a view.

The problem is the jobs/tax dollars/money is sorely needed. Conundrum.

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Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #10: July 24, 2008, 02:10:37 PM »
It's telling that we all think that wind mills are picturesque, but wind turbines are not. :)

I'd rather live next door to a bunch of wind turbines than next to a gasoline refinery or an atomic energy plant. They might not be pretty, but it's very unlikely they will harm you.

I wouldn't want to see those things either.  I'd rather chop my energy use in half than have that visual blight ruining the daily view.  That is, if I lived in a place with a view.

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Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #11: July 24, 2008, 02:12:24 PM »
It's amazing that you can't convince people refuse to understand that it's not dope. It is a very versatile and earth-friendly fibre.

Seriously, if we want to consider alternatives that are quick, natural, and effective, then the US needs to stop all this poppy cock and look at every sort of solution, including the production and distribution of products made out of industrial hemp (different from it's psychoactive cousin).

Everything from paper and clothes to fuel and concrete can be produced out of this single plant that can grow almost anywhere, reaches maturity at an astounding speed, and is highly cost efficient.

And before anyone says something stupid, no, you can't roll up a hemp shirt, paper, or product and smoke it. If you do, you can get very sick and possibly poisoned. Industrial hemp has little in common with it's black sheep family member.
t it's different from dope.

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Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #12: July 24, 2008, 02:23:29 PM »
I believe that George Washington grew hemp at Mount Vernon...it was used to weave ships ropes.  He also distilled whiskey, but that's another story.

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« Reply #13: July 24, 2008, 02:33:18 PM »
I blame Spongebong Hemppants for people's refusal to take hemp seriously.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1lze4_spongebonghemppants_fun

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Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #14: July 24, 2008, 02:37:31 PM »
The Outer Banks Brewing Station (MP 8.5, Kill Devil Hills) got its 10KW wind turbine in April.
http://www.outerbanksfreepress.com/obxwindturbine.html
I'll drink to that! :glug:


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Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #15: July 24, 2008, 02:38:58 PM »
I blame Spongebong Hemppants for people's refusal to take hemp seriously.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1lze4_spongebonghemppants_fun

That's amazing. Personally, I blame Squarebob Spongepants for corrupting our youth and teaching them to live in sin ;-)

Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #16: July 24, 2008, 03:40:01 PM »
I believe that George Washington grew hemp at Mount Vernon...it was used to weave ships ropes.  He also distilled whiskey, but that's another story.

He did. For over a hundred years hemp was used to make the sails, ropes, and sailor's clothing on ships. Very durable fibre that could take a beating.

Also, another historic fact: The first two drafts of the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp paper before it was rewritten in the form we have today.

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Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #17: July 24, 2008, 07:15:01 PM »
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The US is the only industrialized country where hemp is illegal to grow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #18: July 24, 2008, 07:33:49 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

It can easily be a over a billion dollar industry for the U.S. That is money, jobs, alternative energy saving, and alternative products not dependent on synthetics and oil base.

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« Reply #19: July 24, 2008, 09:36:56 PM »
It can easily be a over a billion dollar industry for the U.S. That is money, jobs, alternative energy saving, and alternative products not dependent on synthetics and oil base.

There you go using logic again. This is one of those mass hysteria topics. Oh, no. Little Johnny might start smoking wacky tabbacy if we legalize that environmentally sustainable fiber: hemp. It's the :twisted::panic: :panic: :panic: :panic:

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Re: Alternative Energy Plan
« Reply #20: July 24, 2008, 10:34:21 PM »
Apparently we have a 75 year supply of Natty Gas.  If we can rely on it for like 30 years, we should be able to figure out some good alternatives by then.  Maybe even controlled fusion

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« Reply #21: July 24, 2008, 10:48:03 PM »
There you go using logic again. This is one of those mass hysteria topics. Oh, no. Little Johnny might start smoking wacky tabbacy if we legalize that environmentally sustainable fiber: hemp. It's the :twisted::panic: :panic: :panic: :panic:

I would argue that it is logical to legalize it for recreational purposes.

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« Reply #22: July 24, 2008, 11:00:22 PM »
I would argue that it is logical to legalize it for recreational purposes.

I hear you. Punishing consensual crimes is stupid and wasteful and contrary to living in a free society. However, that's logic on a topic largely judged by prejudice and hysteria.

http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/f01.htm

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« Reply #23: July 25, 2008, 12:11:32 AM »
It's extremely easy to reduce your cost of gasoline.

It simply involves the use of a midget...




   

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« Reply #24: July 25, 2008, 12:17:45 AM »
Prejudice and hysteria?  Here?? 

I hear you. Punishing consensual crimes is stupid and wasteful and contrary to living in a free society. However, that's logic on a topic largely judged by prejudice and hysteria.

http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/f01.htm