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MASN comes to NC
« on: January 21, 2008, 09:55:26 pm »
As posted first by Bob2274 on the MLB board:

MASN has won another victory in the fight over cable carriage. It looks like now the Time Warner customers in North Carolina will be able to see the Orioles once again, and the Nationals for the first time on TV. Seems Time Warner was doing the same thing Comcast did with trying to simply not carry an unaffiliated regional sports network. In any case, good news for baseball fans in NC!

www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/893405.html

Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2008, 10:10:32 pm »
Yes, NC, there is a Santa Claus.  I'm going to have to call up Time Warner and get all hooked up once they get through the details.  Hell yes.

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2008, 11:55:49 pm »
masn needs to come to buffalo, ny!  :devil:





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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2008, 08:13:12 am »
Yes, NC, there is a Santa Claus.  I'm going to have to call up Time Warner and get all hooked up once they get through the details.  Hell yes.

Thought that might be of interest to you.

Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2008, 10:21:48 am »
Thought that might be of interest to you.

It really does. My folks got me MLB TV this Christmas because they know my viewing is limited down here.

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2008, 10:40:22 am »
Interesting. Charter Cable (eastern NC) has carried both MASN1 and MASN2 since last March.

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2008, 10:42:14 am »
Interesting. Charter Cable (eastern NC) has carried both MASN1 and MASN2 since last March.

Serving the Outer Banks?  Lots of vacationers from DC / Baltimore.

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2008, 10:44:01 am »
Serving the Outer Banks?  Lots of vacationers from DC / Baltimore.
Yes! I watched a lot of games down there last year.

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2008, 06:59:06 pm »
Thanks for the props, Tom. I figured there would be a better discussion of it on this board anyway.

Now you can see why we're being bombarded with NC college sports in the off-season, which is fine because MASN doesn't have much of anything else this time of year. I do think that MASN has a good case for being discriminated against by Time Warner just like they did with Comcast. Like it or not, the business of MLB on TV is either everybody gets everything, or no one gets anything. Right now, Time Warner is carrying every other regional sports network on basic cable, and they are trying to give MASN a spot on a sports tier. Nationals and Orioles games are blacked out in most of NC by every other baseball source.
Time Warner said today that they are going to appeal the ruling, but I have a feeling it will all be resolved as soon as hockey season is over. This is because the Carolina Hurricanes carriage deal with FSN South ends after the season is over, and they aren't too happy with FSN not being willing to show every game. I'm sure Time Warner would love to carry the games on its own News 14 channel that carries NBA games, but I can't see them being able to make room for every Hurricanes game when so many games will conflict. I'm sure MASN will do everything it can to outbid everyone else and get the rights to the Hurricanes and show every game on TV. All they would need to do would be to have a separate feed for Carolina Hurricanes territory like many other RSN's do in their territories with different teams. I can't remember the Time Warner spokesman's name, but I remember him even saying that MASN carrying the Hurricanes would make this a totally different situation.

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2008, 08:05:22 pm »
Thanks for the props, Tom. I figured there would be a better discussion of it on this board anyway.

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2009, 01:31:35 am »
Over a year has passed, so I figured I'd give this thread a bump because Time Warner still doesn't carry MASN. For those who haven't heard about this, here's how it went. The first arbitrator ruled in January 2008, then spoke publicly about it before the case was concluded. Time Warner had him disqualified because he wasn't supposed to give his opinions to the media. Okay, later in June, a second arbitrator ruled in favor of MASN, then chose MASN's best offer over Time Warner's. Time Warner had wanted to carry MASN on a digital tier even though it carries every other regional sports networks in their respective footprints on basic cable. Anyway, the arbitrator has ruled, so Time Warner appeals to the FCC. On October 31, the FCC Media Bureau orders TWC to carry MASN on basic cable. The entire document was made public and is available at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-08-2441A1.pdf
Time Warner lost miserably on every point. My favorite line from the FCC was- "We agree with MASN that it is unreasonable for TWC to foreclose broad carriage of MASN – and the opportunity to grow its fan base – and then rely on a lack of fan interest as a basis for its conduct.  As MASN points out, such circular reasoning would almost always justify an MVPD’s decision to deny carriage to new sports programming networks."

After losing every defense they tried to put up, Time Warner drags it out again and files a Petition for Reconsideration the day before their 30 day appeal window was over. That was done at the end of November, and here we are over a year after the first decision was made. I'll never claim MASN is a "defender and advocate of the fans" by any means, but it seems like their only crime here was that they are not affiliated with a cable company or other cable channels. The only leverage they have are the live games they show.

July 2006- FCC approves buyout of Adelphia by Comcast and Time Warner. An arbitration condition was part of the deal because the FCC felt that the huge new companies may try to squeeze independent regional sports networks out of business by refusing to carry them. Both Comcast and Time Warner agree to this condition.
August 2006- Comcast makes the deal with MASN in order to avoid arbitration and having to carry the channel on someone else's terms.
June 2007- MASN demands arbitration after negotiations with Time Warner reach an impasse.
January 2008- Arbitrator rules in favor of MASN, says TWC discriminated in favor of affiliated channels. Time Warner has him disqualified because he spoke publicly about the case while it was active.
June 2008- After first arbitrator was disqualified, a second arbitrator rules in favor of MASN and orders TWC to carry the channel on an analog tier.
July 2008- TWC appeals arbitrator's decision.
August 2008- Due to large amount of evidence, the FCC gives itself another 60 days to rule.
October 2008- FCC Media Bureau orders TWC to carry MASN on an analog tier within 30 days.
Novemer 2008- TWC files Petition for Reconsideration with FCC.
February 2009- still no decision.

When their appeal is denied, I don't know what the next step for TWC will be. I guess they would have to go to an appeals court next, but that court would probably have to give them a stay for TWC to not carry the channel. Given the document that the FCC has made public, I don't see how they could even get a court to hear the case. The FCC really seemed to have every legal angle covered with that decision.

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2009, 08:13:07 am »
masn needs to come to buffalo, ny!  :devil:

It already does, MLB Extra Innings.  :D

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2009, 12:14:26 pm »
So MASN is now in VA, MD, W.Va, and NC? Anywhere else?

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2009, 12:14:55 pm »
It already does, MLB Extra Innings.  :D

Good one!  :)

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2009, 12:41:29 pm »
So MASN is now in VA, MD, W.Va, and NC? Anywhere else?

South-central PA.

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2009, 09:40:56 pm »
A little farther south, plz.

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2009, 12:56:53 pm »
So MASN is now in VA, MD, W.Va, and NC? Anywhere else?

Delaware.

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2009, 05:40:59 pm »
Praise the lord.  I've wanted to switch to cable from Directv but have resisted b/c of no MASN.  For some reason I can't get HD through my satellite - so I'm living without HD to get the Nats.  Going with cable will give me both HD and the Nats!

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2009, 11:43:53 pm »
Not until the FCC finally denies TWC's stall petition. It looks like Time Warner is doing everything possible to keep MASN off of its systems. Hopefully, you'll get the channel by the time the season starts.

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2009, 09:28:41 am »
South-central PA.

Just right around Harrisburg and York

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2010, 02:53:34 pm »
I'll bump this thread now that another year has passed. First, Comcast has reached an agreement to launch MASN on the remainder of its systems, including Harrisburg, PA. Most of the remaining systems are small systems that had been bought from Adelphia. While the official announcement said that these systems would have MASN "as early as 2010", the small systems might not see the channel until the bandwidth is available. MASN and Comcast both asked for the remaining FCC complaint to be dismissed, and now there is finally peace between them.
There was news this week from the FCC that may affect the MASN v. Time Warner appeal that has been rotting for over a year. The FCC made several procedural changes, including delegating authority to bureau chiefs to deny baseless appeals like this one. This means that the Media Bureau can now deny Time Warner's appeal without the commissioners having to vote on it. I don't know if Time Warner will try to fight this in court after it's denied again, but I don't see how they can challenge an order deriving from a condition they agreed to when they took over half of Adelphia. I think this last appeal was a "freebie" that just allowed them to drag this out for another year.

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2010, 05:04:03 pm »
God I hope so.  While I don't mind going to a bar here in Raleigh to watch games, it does get expensive.  Amazed that Time Warner has been able to screw around for this long, but I guess that is how it works.  Thanks for the update!

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2010, 05:16:00 pm »
Now if we can only somehow get DISH Network to carry MASN-HD, all will be well in the baseball TV world.

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2010, 03:32:51 pm »
I figured I'd bring up this thread again since the FCC has ruled and no one seems to have noticed (or really cared). On Wednesday December 22, over two years after its Media Bureau ordered Time Warner Cable to carry MASN on an analog tier, the FCC has granted TWC's petition for review and has reversed the order. Unless MASN appeals and the court finds in their favor, TWC does not have to carry MASN. The order can be seen at http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2010/db1222/FCC-10-202A1.pdf
Since MASN seemed to win every single point with arbitration, this kind of baffled me at first. I read this review (with the help from some Red Bull), and noticed a small but signifcant point-

"We note that TWC has claimed throughout this proceeding that it has offered to carry MASN on a digital tier in its North Carolina systems and has inquired as to MASN’s willingness to agree to carriage of MASN on an analog tier only in its Eastern North Carolina systems."

Through all of this, it looks like MASN could have ended up having analog carriage in Raleigh and Wilmington, with digital basic in Greesboro and Charlotte. I don't know how much it would have affected any other carriage agreements they have, but you would think that if they wanted to promote the teams and get them on TV in North Carolina, this would have been the perfect way. Oh well, who would want more fans anyway? It's all about turf and holding out for possibly more, even though no one cares. TWC is now saying they would be happy to get back to negotiating with MASN for carriage on a "sports tier". Now they're back to square one.
The always meddling Peter Angelos blew thier deal with the Ravens by being too greedy. I feel pretty confident that he'll get right in the middle and blow this one too!

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Re: MASN comes to NC
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2010, 08:14:59 pm »
Something doesn't make sense here.  We've been able to get MASN and the Nationals games in the outer banks for a few years already


As posted first by Bob2274 on the MLB board:

MASN has won another victory in the fight over cable carriage. It looks like now the Time Warner customers in North Carolina will be able to see the Orioles once again, and the Nationals for the first time on TV. Seems Time Warner was doing the same thing Comcast did with trying to simply not carry an unaffiliated regional sports network. In any case, good news for baseball fans in NC!

www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/893405.html