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Offline kimnat

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Re: DC Complains because of future events Held in MD not DC
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2007, 06:35:32 pm »
Well, you know given the news about the tax dept. corruption, I don't think they should be worrying about where the Nats hold a fundraiser for money that will be spent in DC!

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« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2007, 06:56:11 pm »
DC's hoteliers are feeling very threatened by the PG Harbor project.  It's much bigger than anything in DC, and it's already booking major conventions that DC is unable to attract.  The number of room nights already booked years in advance in that hotel is staggering.

I think I drove by that a couple months ago, just south of Wilson Bridge. I think I counted something like 15 cranes.  Theyre building a city down there. Now only if they could get some gambling I might recreate in the burbs.

I will reserve judgment on where this should have been. If it is free you gotta do it, then you still have th budget for a paid event in DC and you could do both. Maybe they will.  They make it sound like this is the only thing the Nats are going to do ever

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Re: DC Complains because of future events Held in MD not DC
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2007, 10:30:21 pm »
I think once the stadium gets going you can hold events there directly.  Looking at all those Suites!

This Harbor project is supposed to compete with Baltimore's, I think

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Re: DC Complains because of future events Held in MD not DC
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2007, 10:58:18 pm »
The problem with that thinking is that, from the reporting, DC officials don't want ANY events held outside of the boundaries of the District of Columbia.  The fact that it's the first means nothing to them.  It could be the first, the fifth, the twenty-eighth, the five hundred-seventy ninth.  They should all be in the District of Columbia, according to those officials.

Right. It is not the first event celebrating the new stadium. It is the gala they hold every year after the team returns to the city from Spring Training right before the season starts. There's nothing special about it tied to the stadium as some inaugural event. It is a black tie affair. Where they hold it is not a big deal. And acting like all events they hold need to be in the city just seems absurd.

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Re: DC Complains because of future events Held in MD not DC
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2007, 12:31:52 am »
Thank you, Rhodesia!!!

Well, you know given the news about the tax dept. corruption, I don't think they should be worrying about where the Nats hold a fundraiser for money that will be spent in DC!

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Re: DC Complains because of future events Held in MD not DC
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2007, 08:13:31 am »
huh?

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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2007, 02:39:02 pm »
And let's not let the hoteliers off the hook either.  The hotel official questioned whether it was a trend, holding events in the suburbs and that "the hotels here (in DC) pay for the stadium".

She should have been asked, if the Nationals wanted to hold the event over a period where a hotel had a huge convention coming to town, would the hotel cancel the event for the Nationals or would they expect the team to work around it, to change their event date to another that was more convient for the hotel?  The answer is obvious.  The team would always be the one that would have to yield.  They would choose a date based on what's available in the city rather than choosing a date and then finding the hotel, regardless of location, that gave them the best deal.

And FREE is a hell of a deal!

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« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2007, 03:01:40 pm »
An interesting read from Steven Pearlstein in the today's Post, A Broader View of Home-Field Advantage.

I'd be interested to hear Marion Barry's rebuttal.  :roll:

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« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2007, 07:30:02 pm »
In the interest of fair play I decided to check out the Washington Nationals Dream Foundation.

Because they are a 501(c)3 organization, their tax records are public. They haven't filed yet for 2006,so I only have their 2005 return.

IRS form 990
Part I (Revenue,expenses,and changes in Net Assests or Fund Balances)

Gross assets $1,342,926.00

Revenue
line 1a. (Contributions,gifts,grants and similar amounts received) $1,074,723.00

Line 9 (Special events and activities)
      9a. (gross revenvue not including  items reported on 1a.)     $265,339.00
      9b. (Less direct losses other than fund raising events)         $296,407.00 according to their filing this was the cost of the 2005 Gala.
      9c. (Net income or (loss) from special events)                    $31,068.00-

Part II (Functional Expenses)                                                $7,300.00-

Part III (Statement of Program Services and Accomplishments)      NONE

Zero is what was returned in "Charity" in 2005.



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Re: DC Complains because of future events Held in MD not DC
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2007, 09:24:57 pm »
So going by that.  If there are NO charges from the hotel, being that its at the Harbor proj; then it must earn more than Zilch!

Right?  There's less expenses.

I'd like to see that itemized.  I can't believe they do a fundraiser and no funds were actually raised!   >:(

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« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2007, 09:54:14 pm »
So going by that.  If there are NO charges from the hotel, being that its at the Harbor proj; then it must earn more than Zilch!

Right?  There's less expenses.

I'd like to see that itemized.  I can't believe they do a fundraiser and no funds were actually raised!   >:(

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« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2007, 09:55:08 pm »
I can only go by what the Foundation reports.

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Re: DC Complains because of future events Held in MD not DC
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2007, 11:49:08 pm »
What, you've never encountered money laundering before??



So going by that.  If there are NO charges from the hotel, being that its at the Harbor proj; then it must earn more than Zilch!

Right?  There's less expenses.

I'd like to see that itemized.  I can't believe they do a fundraiser and no funds were actually raised!   >:(
So going by that.  If there are NO charges from the hotel, being that its at the Harbor proj; then it must earn more than Zilch!

Right?  There's less expenses.

I'd like to see that itemized.  I can't believe they do a fundraiser and no funds were actually raised!   >:(

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« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2007, 10:13:23 am »
Let's hope they're just getting started up.  Otherwise, what you have is an organization that is dependent on the donation of the facility to make any money -- it's a way to get a hotel to donate a quarter of a million dollars a year.  If they can't do better than that they should just fold it up.

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Re: DC Complains because of future events Held in MD not DC
« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2007, 02:09:12 pm »
Article from Marc Fisher's Raw Blog:

Posted at 08:49 AM ET, 11/ 7/2007
D.C. Pols Snipe at Nats
The rabble-rousers and cynics who populate the D.C. Council have never quite gotten their minds around the deal they made to bring Major League Baseball back to Washington. Now the city's politicians have gotten themselves in a snit over the fact that the Washington Nationals are staging some promotional events--gasp!--outside the city's boundaries, in the--avert your eyes!--suburbs.

The Nats, who struggled last season to attract fans from the Maryland suburbs--the Virginia and D.C. contingents were quite strong in attendance at RFK, thank you--are trying to address that gap in the emerging fan base by holding a FanFest in Bethesda and a gala social event at the new National Harbor development in Prince George's County. These horrific acts have caused members of the D.C. Council to cry foul. Even the council's responsible and thoughtful members are busy issuing idle threats and rending their garments: "The Nationals have an obligation to hold their gala here," Ward 2 member Jack Evans said, according to Nikita Stewart's story in today's Post. Evans was perhaps the most fervent supporter of the baseball deal.

Staging the gala across the Anacostia River in Maryland is "like taking a stick and poking your eye," said Jim Graham, the Ward 1 council member.

But of course the most appalling words came from Marion Barry Himself: "They haven't even gotten into the stadium yet and they are taking their events elsewhere. We would hope that the Lerners would rethink this decision. After all, this is not the Maryland Nationals. They are the Washington Nationals, and they should be holding any event concerning Washington in Washington."

This from the man who as mayor couldn't manage to cut a deal with the Washington Redskins to keep the football team in the District.

Where, exactly, do the D.C. politicians think the fans who will fill the new Nationals Park are going to come from? More than 80 percent of the region's population lives in the suburbs. More than 90 percent of the jobs are in the suburbs. The entire economic structure of the baseball deal, the single reason it made any sense for the city to put up $611 million to build a stadium, depends on luring suburbanites into the District to spend time and money, leaving behind the tax dollars that would repay D.C. taxpayers several times over for their investment in a ballpark. That's the strategy the Council bought into, yet when the team now tries to assure that that payoff occurs, the city officials play wounded doggie.

The more suburban the crowd at the new stadium, the better the deal for the District. The D.C. Council should be shoving Nats executives over the border to get them rustling up business in Montgomery, Prince George's and Howard counties.

There's no dissing of the District going on here: To the contrary, the gala event in Maryland is a charity fundraiser the receipts from which will go to support D.C. children, in part through the Nationals' Youth Baseball Academy, which was set up at the behest of the D.C. Council to teach the game to city schoolchildren. The Nats have regularly staged all manner of events at D.C. schools and at other sites around the city. But to be the regional attraction that they must be to make the city its money back--and to make big bucks for themselves--the franchise has to be aggressive about promoting itself everywhere from Baltimore to Richmond.

Small-minded, provincial hysterics from D.C. politicians are anything but helpful.



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« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2007, 02:53:16 pm »
I haven't seen anyone complain about any fanfests, so that seems like a red herring, unless I've missed something.  If even the responsible and thoughtful members of the council are saying this is a very bad thing, perhaps it would behoove the Nationals to listen to them. 

But I would like to get a look at the books of the Baseball Academy, which, to me anyway, reaked of a boondoggle way to give money friends of Marion Barry.  Hope I'm wrong.

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« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2007, 02:55:21 pm »
"If even the responsible and thoughtful members of the council..."

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2007, 05:06:45 pm »
Not much of anything in the city is "thoughtful or responsible".

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« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2007, 05:58:18 pm »
I don't live there, but from what I read and see there are good people trying to make the place work, surrounded and often overwhelmed by demagogues and crooks who prey on a largely uneducated and disconnected voting base.  Jack Evans has a reputation for being one of those people.

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« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2007, 06:34:53 pm »
How about the Council that decided to foot the bill for your favorite team's new stadium?

Not much of anything in the city is "thoughtful or responsible".

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« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2007, 06:38:31 pm »
One of the real problems for the city is that the people that use many of the services (commuters) aren't taxed for the trouble, like they are in other multi-state cities (say, New York).

That and an unbelievable reluctance to change in the schools and public service bureaucracies.

I don't live there, but from what I read and see there are good people trying to make the place work, surrounded and often overwhelmed by demagogues and crooks who prey on a largely uneducated and disconnected voting base.  Jack Evans has a reputation for being one of those people.

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« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2007, 06:39:19 pm »
How about the Council that decided to foot the bill for your favorite team's new stadium?


There are exceptions to every rule.  I'm just cynical in light of the embezzlement scandal.  Trust me, there's more there than meets the eye.  I know a bit about this one.  One of my friends (a very honest one!) used to work there.

Re: DC Complains because of future events Held in MD not DC
« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2007, 06:40:02 pm »
Personally, I think they are making a bigger deal out of this than it actually is.  These politicians are just looking to bite on something so they can chew.

But I can understand "some concern."  I mean, you are trying to develop a fan base and all IN DC.  Could you imagine the crapstorm in NY if the Yanks or Mets had their gala in New Jersey? 

But logic and business sense also says to expand your horizons and attempt to gather more of a fan base in surrounding areas.  Hence, having events in Maryland and Virginia.  I mean come on, who here doesn't want to chip away at the Baltimore fan base and make a few conversions here and there?

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« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2007, 06:46:55 pm »
It's an advocate's job to advocate. That's what Barry was doing. To say "not much of anything in the city is thoughtful or responsible"... well. You're painting with a pretty broad brush. It's not like Virginia is without its troubles in Richmond.

There are exceptions to every rule.  I'm just cynical in light of the embezzlement scandal.  Trust me, there's more there than meets the eye.  I know a bit about this one.  One of my friends (a very honest one!) used to work there.

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« Reply #49 on: November 10, 2007, 06:49:38 pm »
Advocating is fine, you're right.  And yes, stuff does happen in Richmond, but not to the extensive degree as it does in DC.  What happened in the DC tax dept. would never happen in VA.  In a week or so, I can expand on what I'm saying, but something else needs to occur first.