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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2025, 10:16:47 am »
FWIW, Werth, on the 11th inning podcast, spoke quite highly of Dusty. He made a few off-handed comments about Williams (implying it was a disaster under him). He didn't mention Davey at all other than the camels.

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2025, 12:28:20 pm »
FWIW, Werth, on the 11th inning podcast, spoke quite highly of Dusty. He made a few off-handed comments about Williams (implying it was a disaster under him). He didn't mention Davey at all other than the camels.

He never played for Davey

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2025, 01:47:52 pm »
Someone posted this on talknats:

Total wins since 2020:

White Sox 325
A's 323
Pirates 309
Nationals 306
Rockies 295

White Sox 6 managers
A's 2 managers
Pirates 2 managers
Nats 1 manager
Rockies 2 managers

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2025, 02:11:34 pm »
He never played for Davey
yes. But he has been around the team a lot over the years.

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2025, 02:46:35 pm »
Someone posted this on talknats:

Total wins since 2020:

White Sox 325
A's 323
Pirates 309
Nationals 306
Rockies 295

White Sox 6 managers
A's 2 managers
Pirates 2 managers
Nats 1 manager
Rockies 2 managers
Steady at the helm.

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2025, 03:55:11 pm »
Seems to imply firing managers doesn’t have any impact for if it did the white Sox would win 100 games a year.

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2025, 04:01:22 pm »
Seems to imply firing managers doesn’t have any impact for if it did the white Sox would win 100 games a year.
other than the White Sox extreme case, the pattern is one replacement of a manager over the period. Should be noted that, up to the time of his firing a couple of weeks ago, Black had been manager longer than Davey. Davey is a slightly different case than the rest of the managers in that he won a world series the year before this period. Not that Davey should keep his job now, but that list just shows the CWS are making moves for the sake of appearing to do something rather than actually having a strategy.

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2025, 12:15:17 pm »
O’s just fired their manager.

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2025, 12:37:19 pm »
other than the White Sox extreme case, the pattern is one replacement of a manager over the period. Should be noted that, up to the time of his firing a couple of weeks ago, Black had been manager longer than Davey. Davey is a slightly different case than the rest of the managers in that he won a world series the year before this period. Not that Davey should keep his job now, but that list just shows the CWS are making moves for the sake of appearing to do something rather than actually having a strategy.

Exactly. It's just politics of distraction most of the time.

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2025, 02:56:15 pm »
O’s just fired their manager.

I guess they figured if you can't beat the Nats, there's not much hope...

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2025, 03:22:03 pm »
FWIW, Werth, on the 11th inning podcast, spoke quite highly of Dusty. He made a few off-handed comments about Williams (implying it was a disaster under him). He didn't mention Davey at all other than the camels.

There was a lot of weird politics in the good years between Rizzo and the managers.  He was ultimately threatened by the well-known guys like Davey Johnson and Dusty Baker, but he liked Matt Williams because he was a first timer and Rizzo once said something like "the GM has to manage the manager".  Williams problem was that he was inept and there were expectations back then.  Davey is like Williams except with zero expectations and no one cares if he keeps losing.  If anything he's supporting a power structure that Rizzo likes because he's not a threat to him. 

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2025, 03:38:32 pm »
To me, it seems like Davey is more of Dusty-lite. I think both guys made long-term decisions over the season instead of managing game by game. Davey will stick with a guy to try to get him to perform up to his (perceived) talent level, which I think Dusty did. Dusty got a terrific performance out of Michael A. in 2017, for example, with some patience. Davey would stick with a Corbin or give a Poche chances when the team was structured to have no better alternatives on the roster. Corbin pitched a lot of bad innings on bad teams because he was physically capable of taking abuse and there were no great starters on the way up to displace him. I think Dusty is a much better manager for this, but I think that explains a lot of Davey trotting out Bell and other under-performers. I don't think it is "play the contract," as Ian says, because I think he does this with cheap guys, too. It's just it's more noticeable when it is a relatively-expensive vet like Williams and Bell (there are no expensive vets on this team).

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2025, 03:53:19 pm »
I don't think it is "play the contract," as Ian says

Part of the way Davey keeps his job is doing what Mini Me and Rizzo tell him to.  No one in their right mind would have kept putting Corbin out there, or playing Keibert so much last year when both his bat and defense were miserable.  Josh Bell has six million reasons why Davey has to keep him in the lineup.

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2025, 03:54:02 pm »
other than the White Sox extreme case, the pattern is one replacement of a manager over the period. Should be noted that, up to the time of his firing a couple of weeks ago, Black had been manager longer than Davey. Davey is a slightly different case than the rest of the managers in that he won a world series the year before this period. Not that Davey should keep his job now, but that list just shows the CWS are making moves for the sake of appearing to do something rather than actually having a strategy.
The pattern is terrible/absentee ownership

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2025, 11:25:25 am »
4 wins in a row, team now overachieving against expected win percentage significantly. Is it time to extend Davey?

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2025, 11:52:29 am »
4 wins in a row, team now overachieving against expected win percentage significantly. Is it time to extend Davey?
:lol:

It's funny, but I noticed that, record-wise, about 1/3 of the way through the season (22 wins, 49 games), we are basically in the same spot at the 2021, 2023, and 2024 teams were, yet the attitudes about how successful the Nats were/ are are completely different.

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2025, 12:25:43 am »
Davey’s obsession with Josh Bell should be the last straw and cost him his job. Pinch hitting him in the 9th inning on Sunday was a fireable offense. He keeps saying how when Josh gets hot he can carry us. What fantasy world is he living in? It’s 2025, not 2019. Continuing to start him at DH is malpractice and very unserious.

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2025, 08:24:21 pm »
Davey’s obsession with Josh Bell should be the last straw and cost him his job. Pinch hitting him in the 9th inning on Sunday was a fireable offense. He keeps saying how when Josh gets hot he can carry us. What fantasy world is he living in? It’s 2025, not 2019. Continuing to start him at DH is malpractice and very unserious.

Rizzo has fostered that fantasy world by bringing that dimwit back year after year after year...

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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2025, 09:10:27 pm »
Nats near the bottom in chase rate and defensive runs saved.  I don't care if you're rebooting, rebuilding, or dumplng salary, there's no excuse for this season after season. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2025/05/28/nationals-mariners-struggling-offense/


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Re: Fire Davey Martinez (2025)
« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2025, 10:08:40 am »


Rizzo said that dave has done well these past several years considering the players he's been given.  That's a pretty direct paraphrase...

I sense that this dimwit is likely to be around as long as Walter Alston was with the Dodgers...