Can we move on from Finnegan……please?

[Slumpbuster]

I was ok with the Nats letting Kyle Finnegan go in the off season. I was also ok when they picked him back up again in a supposed good move for the team. He is one of the League leaders in Saves I know.
But it is ALWAYS high drama when he comes in…….the bases become jammed, full counts, etc.
I now have little or no trust in him. Last nights debacle was just the latest episode.
……and No I have no idea who could replace him!

[Natsinpwc]

Just hang on and hope he gets better and trade him at the deadline for a lottery ticket.  Lots of teams are having major bullpen issues this year. 

[imref]

He's had two blown saves (one in which he gave up 1 hit allowing an inherited runner to score) in 11 opportunities. Prior to yesterday he'd allowed 2ER in 11 opportunities.

That's an elite-level closer. If he keeps this up he's returning to the ASG.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/bob-wickman/413/stats?position=P

Look at Wickman in 2005-2007. That's Finnegan. Guile, smoke and mirrors, compiling saves with underwhelming contact and swinging strikes with a lot of contact.

[Slateman]

There really is no one else.

[Smithian]

I don't think he'll have much worth at the deadline if he we retained him at this contract number.

I'd rather keep him in DC and have some structure in the bullpen.

[imref]

There really is no one else.

best case scenario is that Henry can take over at some point.

[Mattionals]

There really is no one else.

It's a lousy pen for sure.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

He's had two blown saves (one in which he gave up 1 hit allowing an inherited runner to score) in 11 opportunities. Prior to yesterday he'd allowed 2ER in 11 opportunities.

That's an elite-level closer. If he keeps this up he's returning to the ASG.

1.54 WHIP

If that's an elite-level closer then I'm Ken Jennings.

[imref]

NL co-leader in saves.

[aspenbubba]

NL co-leader in saves.

That stat is about as meaningful as a starters W-L record.

[Smithian]

That stat is about as meaningful as a starters W-L record.

I have posted I am worried Finnegan is a house of cards right now with his peripherals, but this take is pretty crazy.

[welch]

Finnegan tamed the Phillies last night. And he's a bargain.

[aspenbubba]

I have posted I am worried Finnegan is a house of cards right now with his peripherals, but this take is pretty crazy.

And what stat would you use to grade a closer? Besides a large potential increase in salary via arbitration  he was non-tendered based on his second half performance. Why did 29 GM’s pass on him? Finnegan virtually never has a clean inning. W-L records for starters is one of the last metrics I would use to grade a pitcher. That is why there are at least a dozen metrics used. Being a Nats fan you should be able to relate that our starters are not getting run support over the past 3 seasons.

[hotshot]

Finnegan tamed the Phillies last night. And he's a bargain.

Yep. Even if no other teams could see that! 

[imref]

And what stat would you use to grade a closer? Besides a large potential increase in salary via arbitration  he was non-tendered based on his second half performance. Why did 29 GM’s pass on him? Finnegan virtually never has a clean inning. W-L records for starters is one of the last metrics I would use to grade a pitcher. That is why there are at least a dozen metrics used. Being a Nats fan you should be able to relate that our starters are not getting run support over the past 3 seasons.

At the end of the day, there is only one metric that matters for a closer: Saves

[Elvir Ovcina]

At the end of the day, there is only one metric that matters for a closer: Saves

Don't blown saves matter a bit too?

[Natsinpwc]

His FIP is good. But a 1.50 WHIP is not.  How many saves has he blown? Three?

[Elvir Ovcina]

His FIP is good. But a 1.50 WHIP is not.  How many saves has he blown? Three?

I don't care too much about WHIP for guys who come in with a clean inning every time as long as those WH are all one base each.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Don't blown saves matter a bit too?

I think the cut of his jib matters.

That, and perhaps win probability added. That probably values tight saves and fireman situations more than hanging onto a 3 run lead but giving up a run.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

I don't care too much about WHIP for guys who come in with a clean inning every time as long as those WH are all one base each.

Along these lines, I think you can get by as a short reliever if you have higher walk numbers if you have very high K numbers and poor quality contact that often goes with high Ks.

A guy with a 12 K/9 can afford 4 BB/9 in one inning bursts. You don't have the need to go deep. Henry, Rutledge, and Ferrer might be helped by that.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

His FIP is good. But a 1.50 WHIP is not.  How many saves has he blown? Three?

two

[Natsinpwc]

two

Thanks. 

I will defer to Elvir on the WHIP. Although this comes to mind. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta5hPRmxo8k&pp=ygUWZmxpcnRpbmcgd2l0aCBkaXNhc3Rlcg%3D%3D

[Elvir Ovcina]

Thanks. 

I will defer to Elvir on the WHIP. Although this comes to mind. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta5hPRmxo8k&pp=ygUWZmxpcnRpbmcgd2l0aCBkaXNhc3Rlcg%3D%3D

There is no deference to me or anyone else in the Loper-Bright era.  I just think that in an era in which everyone's swinging for the fences, nobody will string enough hits together to matter very often if you give up a single or two.

[imref]

Don't blown saves matter a bit too?

Definitely. 10 saved and 2 blown in 12 opportunities. Disaster of a closer