Fire Darnell Coles

[Slateman]

No hit in consecutive seasons. Everyone but Wood and Winker just go up swinging

[RobDibblesGhost]

I'm on board with this.

[SkinsNatFan21RIP]

Or you could just fire them all and start over? I don’t see what sticking with Davey will accomplish? Just rip the bandaid off and cut him and his staff loose at the end of the year.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

I thought the Nats should have been in on Cora except he surprised folks and came to a mid-season agreement on a 3 year extension.

[imref]

FWIW, Dylan Cease last 3 starts: 22 IP, 2H. He 1-hit the Braves over 6 and the Guardians over 7 prior to today's start.

[Slateman]

Or you could just fire them all and start over? I don’t see what sticking with Davey will accomplish? Just rip the bandaid off and cut him and his staff loose at the end of the year.

Yea, no. Im not willing to lose Davey Martinez. We will end up with a worse manager.

No, the correct solution here is to revamp the hitting like you did the coaching. Coles needs to go. He has a history of being a bad hitting coach, with a couple other teams improving immediately after he left

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Darnell Coles walk up music - how can I miss you when you won't go away?

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

Yea, no. Im not willing to lose Davey Martinez. We will end up with a worse manager.

No, the correct solution here is to revamp the hitting like you did the coaching. Coles needs to go. He has a history of being a bad hitting coach, with a couple other teams improving immediately after he left

One of the rare times we agree.  I think hitting gets the same overhaul pitching did last offseason. 

[nobleisthyname]

Yea, no. Im not willing to lose Davey Martinez. We will end up with a worse manager.

No, the correct solution here is to revamp the hitting like you did the coaching. Coles needs to go. He has a history of being a bad hitting coach, with a couple other teams improving immediately after he left

Aren't they a package deal along with Hickey? I think the best we can hope for is bringing in someone else on the hitting side like they did with bringing in Doolittle on the pitching side.

[blue911]

Aren't they a package deal along with Hickey? I think the best we can hope for is bringing in someone else on the hitting side like they did with bringing in Doolittle on the pitching side.

Daniel Murphy

[Slateman]

Aren't they a package deal along with Hickey? I think the best we can hope for is bringing in someone else on the hitting side like they did with bringing in Doolittle on the pitching side.

Coles was hired in 2022, so no, they can let him go and find a better coach.

[SkinsNatFan21RIP]

Yea, no. Im not willing to lose Davey Martinez. We will end up with a worse manager.

No, the correct solution here is to revamp the hitting like you did the coaching. Coles needs to go. He has a history of being a bad hitting coach, with a couple other teams improving immediately after he left

End up worse than Davey? We’ve made the playoffs once and he’s 100 games under .500. I mean, I know you like the guy but he should probably go at some point. Save for a miracle run to the World Series his teams have either underachieved or been flat out awful. When is enough?

[varoadking]

End up worse than Davey? We’ve made the playoffs once and he’s 100 games under .500. I mean, I know you like the guy but he should probably go at some point. Save for a miracle run to the World Series his teams have either underachieved or been flat out awful. When is enough?

He never should have been hired...he was cheap, so he checked all the boxes...

[Slateman]

End up worse than Davey? We’ve made the playoffs once and he’s 100 games under .500. I mean, I know you like the guy but he should probably go at some point. Save for a miracle run to the World Series his teams have either underachieved or been flat out awful. When is enough?

We won a WS with Davey. He's been given a realistically competitive team twice. 2018's club was beset with injuries, and still finished above .500. 2019 he guided the team to a WS victory. And even this season, despite almost no offensive talent, he has the team playing better.

If we'd hired in him in 2016 instead of Dusty, we're talking about how great the Nationals run was.

[Natsinpwc]

We won a WS with Davey. He's been given a realistically competitive team twice. 2018's club was beset with injuries, and still finished above .500. 2019 he guided the team to a WS victory. And even this season, despite almost no offensive talent, he has the team playing better.

If we'd hired in him in 2016 instead of Dusty, we're talking about how great the Nationals run was.

You almost sound like you really believe that!  Bravo. 

[Slateman]

You almost sound like you really believe that!  Bravo. 

Its true. Davey was smart enough to not let his relievers with an ERA over 5 pitching meaningful playoff innings

[SkinsNatFan21RIP]

We won a WS with Davey. He's been given a realistically competitive team twice. 2018's club was beset with injuries, and still finished above .500. 2019 he guided the team to a WS victory. And even this season, despite almost no offensive talent, he has the team playing better.

If we'd hired in him in 2016 instead of Dusty, we're talking about how great the Nationals run was.

I just don't agree with you brother. I think he's been living on borrowed time because the Lerners like him. Anywhere else and he would've been gone.

[Slateman]

I just don't agree with you brother. I think he's been living on borrowed time because the Lerners like him. Anywhere else and he would've been gone.

Anywhere else and his ownership would been willing to field a competitive team

[IanRubbish]

The whole small ball strategy isn’t working, except for opposing pitchers.  This isn’t just about money, but a foolishness of sticking with something that’s a complete failure.  It can’t be fixed by trades or call ups.

[imref]

I'm not going to read too much into getting no-hit by a guy who has now allowed just two hits in his last three starts, but here's where we rank right now in the MLB (30 teams):

Runs: 22nd
Hits: 24th
Doubles: 14th
Home runs: 30th
Walks: 23rd
Strike outs: 6th (fewest, not most)

How much of this is Coles versus trotting out the likes of Meneses, Gallo, Rosario, etc.

And how the heck do we have so few Ks compared to the rest of the league?

[IanRubbish]

I'm not going to read too much into getting no-hit by a guy who has now allowed just two hits in his last three starts, but here's where we rank right now in the MLB (30 teams):

Runs: 22nd
Hits: 24th
Doubles: 14th
Home runs: 30th
Walks: 23rd
Strike outs: 6th (fewest, not most)

How much of this is Coles versus trotting out the likes of Meneses, Gallo, Rosario, etc.

And how the heck do we have so few Ks compared to the rest of the league?

Team OPS of .673 is down from .710 last year, and ranks 26th.   Runners thrown out stealing per game is dead last at nearly .5

The low K's is part of the soft contact Coles approach. 

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

I'm not going to read too much into getting no-hit by a guy who has now allowed just two hits in his last three starts, but here's where we rank right now in the MLB (30 teams):

Runs: 22nd
Hits: 24th
Doubles: 14th
Home runs: 30th
Walks: 23rd
Strike outs: 6th (fewest, not most)

How much of this is Coles versus trotting out the likes of Meneses, Gallo, Rosario, etc.

And how the heck do we have so few Ks compared to the rest of the league?

This offense wouldn’t be good with any hitting coach due to the personnel.  However, I think the approach is what most fans take issue with.  I love the aggression on the base paths, especially when the team lacks power.  But swinging at pitches you can’t do damage on just to “make contact” makes you an easy at bat for opposing pitchers.

[IanRubbish]

This offense wouldn’t be good with any hitting coach due to the personnel.

But it wouldn't be this bad.  For an allegedly rebuilding team, it's pretty serious how badly the OPS has fallen from last year, and how many games we go late innings against a starter while our bullpen is gassed.

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

But it wouldn't be this bad.  For an allegedly rebuilding team, it's pretty serious how badly the OPS has fallen from last year, and how many games we go late innings against a starter while our bullpen is gassed.

I mean you cut off the rest of my post.  I clearly wasn’t defending Coles.

[IanRubbish]

I mean you cut off the rest of my post.  I clearly wasn’t defending Coles.

Wasn't suggesting you were, just that things might not be this bad with Kevin Long or someone competent.  The team is 2 out of 30 in soft hit rate, 28 out of 30 in hard hit rate, and 28 of 30 in BB rate.  Those might be at least a few levels higher without Coles.