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His numbers are not that much higher than he put up in 2021.  And he has a career OPS+ of 161.  He will stay in NY one way or the other.  He's not going to the Angels.  Or the Giants.  Maybe the Red Sox?

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His numbers are not that much higher than he put up in 2021.  And he has a career OPS+ of 161.  He will stay in NY one way or the other.  He's not going to the Angels.  Or the Giants.  Maybe the Red Sox?
Juan Soto is as much a sure bet as you're going to het in free agency. He will be 26 next season. You're going to get at least 5 years of a .950 OPS. He is literally just entering his prime.

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Juan Soto is as much a sure bet as you're going to het in free agency. He will be 26 next season. You're going to get at least 5 years of a .950 OPS. He is literally just entering his prime.
Yup.

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There's a small part of me that, for the betterment of baseball, wants him and Judge on the same team for the next 5 years, in Gehrig/Ruth potential sense, or peak Maris/Mantle. But I am a fan of rivals so I have to hope against that

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There's a small part of me that, for the betterment of baseball, wants him and Judge on the same team for the next 5 years, in Gehrig/Ruth potential sense, or peak Maris/Mantle. But I am a fan of rivals so I have to hope against that

If he's not coming here, and I don't think he will, I want him to stay a Yankee. Definitely would hate to see him on a division rival.

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There's a small part of me that, for the betterment of baseball, wants him and Judge on the same team for the next 5 years, in Gehrig/Ruth potential sense, or peak Maris/Mantle. But I am a fan of rivals so I have to hope against that
If he's not coming here, and I don't think he will, I want him to stay a Yankee. Definitely would hate to see him on a division rival.
No. freak all of that. freak Yankees fans and their whiney, pretentious bullcrap.

Either Soto comes home and is the first Nat into the HoF, or he goes to the Mets and is lolmets for the next ten years

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No. freak all of that. freak Yankees fans and their whiney, pretentious bullcrap.

Either Soto comes home and is the first Nat into the HoF, or he goes to the Mets and is lolmets for the next ten years

Max will be the first Nat in the HOF...

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No. freak all of that. freak Yankees fans and their whiney, pretentious bullcrap.

Either Soto comes home and is the first Nat into the HoF, or he goes to the Mets and is lolmets for the next ten years

If it had to be a division rival I suppose the Mets would be the best choice (Marlins too but they barely even count as a division rival). I couldn't handle him being a Brave or especially a Philly.

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Max will be the first Nat in the HOF...

Probably right.

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Bring him home. I don’t want to hear that the Lerners can’t afford it or that we tried and just got outbid. Screw that. The Lerners have put this fanbase through hell and asked us to stick it out while they’ve traded or let walk every bit of talent we had. Right this damn wrong and bring him home. We’ve waited long enough. It’s time to compete again and that starts with Soto being back in DC where he belongs and never should’ve left.

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Max will be the first Nat in the HOF...
Max is going in with a blank hat because he wants to rep MLBPA

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If it had to be a division rival I suppose the Mets would be the best choice (Marlins too but they barely even count as a division rival). I couldn't handle him being a Brave or especially a Philly.
Phillies lose the Schwarber and Castellanos contracts after next season.  Probably one year too early for them unless they want to pay the penalties. 

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The next step in the Nationals’ rebuild: Bring back Juan Soto
Dylan Crews will debut against Juan Soto on Monday night. In 2025, they should be teammates.


Barry  Svrluga weighs in.

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Will it cost more than $500 million? Yes. Could it be as much as $600 million? Sure.

[discusses what he did here]

With the Yankees, he remains that. Hitting ahead of Aaron Judge in a lineup that leads the majors in OPS and ranks second in runs scored, Soto trails only Judge in on-base percentage (.429) and OPS (1.034). Since his debut with the Nats, no one has a higher OBP (.422). Only Mike Trout, Judge and Yordan Alvarez have a higher OPS.

Notes Soto's actually better outside Yankee stadium than there, as well as him being 6 years younger than Judge. Notes the lack of long term contracts for the nats going forward, then looks at the potential lineup with Soto at DH/1B/RF. That line up would be under team control through 2028 (with one other FA hitter on a shorter term deal). Compares the status of the team to 2012 in terms of homegrown talent and the ability to sell FAs on a plan.  Then asks the key question: are the Lerners ready to step up?

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But it’s fair to ask: What is their commitment? Not just to tending to the day-to-day operations, but to going for it all again. It says here that it takes spending money to make money.

That’s what’s called for now, when the foundation is cheap: Spending on players who cost money but bring value — and wins. Juan Soto might seem like a moonshot. He shouldn’t have to be. He is here this week in pinstripes. It would be smart — from baseball and financial standpoints — to see if the next time he returns could be in the home whites with the curly W on the hat.

As Barry puts it, "this shouldn't be a fantasy. It should be the plan."


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As Barry puts it, "this shouldn't be a fantasy. It should be the plan."

I know I'm being pessimistic but it is fantasy. A nice one, a feasible one, but still just a fantasy. Bringing back the entire coaching staff so early is what signaled this to me. I imagine the whole reason that was done was because the coaching staff likely signed for below market value and the Lerners jumped on that opportunity.

I think the best we can hope for is that someone like Christian Walker will sign for something like 4/$60M. I don't think we'll see any contract breaking 9 figures.

I would love to be wrong.

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His numbers are not that much higher than he put up in 2021.  And he has a career OPS+ of 161.  He will stay in NY one way or the other.  He's not going to the Angels.  Or the Giants.  Maybe the Red Sox?

The Red Sox are playing poor now

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Phillies lose the Schwarber and Castellanos contracts after next season.  Probably one year too early for them unless they want to pay the penalties.

Simple...trade Royce...

I really think the Phillies might be the second most likely landing spot for him after the Yankees...


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I know I'm being pessimistic but it is fantasy. A nice one, a feasible one, but still just a fantasy. Bringing back the entire coaching staff so early is what signaled this to me. I imagine the whole reason that was done was because the coaching staff likely signed for below market value and the Lerners jumped on that opportunity.

I think the best we can hope for is that someone like Christian Walker will sign for something like 4/$60M. I don't think we'll see any contract breaking 9 figures.

I would love to be wrong.

4/60 is too rich for the post World Series nationals. They'll grab a reclamation project and call it good

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Phillies lose the Schwarber and Castellanos contracts after next season.  Probably one year too early for them unless they want to pay the penalties. 
Honestly, they could include prospects to dump salary enough to get Soto.

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Simple...trade Royce...

I really think the Phillies might be the second most likely landing spot for him after the Yankees...

They wouldn't dump Harper. His image means far too much. He is "their" guy now. Honestly, if they would move anybody early, it's Turner.

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Juan Soto is as much a sure bet as you're going to het in free agency. He will be 26 next season. You're going to get at least 5 years of a .950 OPS. He is literally just entering his prime.

He's only put up a .950 OPS twice in his career excluding the COVID year.  He doesn't have the power to do that consistently.  His bankable stat is a .400 OBP, but that's not going to be worth his contract. 

Aaron Judge has a career ISO > .300, a career OPS more than 50 pts higher than Soto's, and makes $40 million per. 

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They wouldn't dump Harper. His image means far too much. He is "their" guy now. Honestly, if they would move anybody early, it's Turner.

Turner's contract makes him impossible to move.  No one's taking that thing.

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Soto is second among active players in career wOBA at .405. Judge is silly in first at .420. Alvarez is also .405.  Trout is .415 but technically isn't active because he's on the 60 day IL. Yordan Alvarez is criminally underpaid. It's an Acuna / Albies class contract.

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Soto is second among active players in career wOBA at .405. Judge is silly in first at .420. Alvarez is also .405.  Trout is .415 but technically isn't active because he's on the 60 day IL. Yordan Alvarez is criminally underpaid. It's an Acuna / Albies class contract.
Alvarez was also valued (correctly) as a DH.

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Alvarez was also valued (correctly) as a DH.
$19 million AAV for his age 26-34 season, I think.

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$19 million AAV for his age 26-34 season, I think.
Its still a steal but he is pretty beholden to a bad LF. Not like Acuna who could be a gold glove caliber outfielder, if he wanted.