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College World Series (non-draft discussion)
« Topic Start: June 14, 2023, 08:34:40 AM »
I'll be rooting for Skenes in the first game.  Got a friend who's going down to LA to watch the game on TV with her Dad.  He's not quite in shape to travel to Omaha. The family are die-hard LSU baseball fans.

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« Reply #1: June 14, 2023, 01:22:13 PM »
Profile of the 4 teams in the 1st bracket - TCU, Oral Roberts, Florida, and Virginia. The latter two were seeded #2 and #7. TCU beat Arkansas (#3).

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/college-world-series-preview-bracket-1-2/


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« Reply #3: June 16, 2023, 03:05:04 PM »
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/college-world-series-preview-bracket-2/

Nice artcle profiling the Wake Forest - Stanford / LSU / Tennessee bracket.  There's a bit on Skenes, but, in the context of pitcher abuse in college, there's a pretty balanced discussion teed off by considering the 156 thrown by Quinn Mathews of Stanford. While the author, Michael Baumann, ultimately comes down against how Mathews was used, he's pretty open minded about letting college pitchers pitch in what for most of them is the biggest games of their lives.

Starts out talking about past times, when certain schools and coaches got a rep for abuse and blowing out arms.

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Certain schools and coaches got a reputation for blowing prospects’ elbows and shoulders out. They got called out in the media, and had that reputation used against them by other coaches in recruiting. And eventually, many of the worst offenders retired. It was still a real problem as recently as 2018, when Oregon State freshman Kevin Abel won the College World Series by throwing a 129-pitch shutout on zero days’ rest in the decisive game against Arkansas.

I used to be a pitch count hardliner, but my views have evolved over the years for a few reasons. First, pitcher health is an inexact science. We don’t know if pitch no. 118 or 119 will be the one that leads to a torn UCL, and it’s silly to pretend otherwise. Second, many of these pitchers will go pro in something other than sports. If a potential first-round pick starts on two days’ rest, that’s a decision that could cost the kid millions of dollars. If that pitcher is a senior at a no. 4 seed out of the MAAC who’s going to go to go to pharmacy school in the fall, who cares? Third, these games are themselves inherently meaningful. Most of the players involved — even the majority of the ones who do go pro — will never participate in a bigger game after leaving college. In order to win these games, limited additional risk is sometimes appropriate. This last point can either be lost on or irrelevant to many observers who focus solely on professional scouting and development, and are frequently the biggest pitch count scolds.

Would I let Paul Skenes, the best pitcher in college baseball, throw 124 pitches in a five-run game against Tulane? Absolutely not. But it’s not the end of the world, and it’s a lot better than how LSU coach Jay Johnson managed his staff on his last trip to Omaha, with Arizona in 2016. I wasn’t wild about Texas using Big 12 Pitcher of the Year Lucas Gordon out of the ‘pen against Stanford two days after he’d thrown 110 pitches. But for a short relief outing, with the season on the line… just don’t make a habit out of it.
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But 156 pitches? In 2023, by a guy who’s going to be a Day 2 pick? It’s indefensible, no matter how heroically Mathews performed under those conditions.

As I said, keep reading for a discussion of Skenes and a profile of LSU. Says he looks much bigger than the list 247 lbs, 6' 6". Praises the fastball / slider /change up combination.


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« Reply #4: June 16, 2023, 10:12:58 PM »
UVA closer falling apart in the 9th. Two HRs to tie it and now bases loaded and one out. Finally they bring in another guy.

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« Reply #5: June 16, 2023, 10:16:52 PM »
UVA closer falling apart in the 9th. Two HRs to tie it and now bases loaded and one out. Finally they bring in another guy.
it was Langford who hit the 456 foot tying homer

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« Reply #6: June 16, 2023, 10:18:22 PM »
it was Langford who hit the 456 foot tying homer
Yes.

And now Florida wins. Coach got the second guy up too late in the bullpen.

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« Reply #7: June 16, 2023, 10:18:39 PM »
Tcu and uva both lead after eight and lose

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« Reply #8: June 16, 2023, 10:24:54 PM »
Almost no one ever wins it after losing game one.

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« Reply #9: June 17, 2023, 02:58:25 PM »
Lowder is struggling for Wake. #2 pitching prospect behind Skenes.

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Lowder is struggling for Wake. #2 pitching prospect behind Skenes.
How many innings has he pitched this year and did he have lots of games with high pitch counts?

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How many innings has he pitched this year and did he have lots of games with high pitch counts?
Looked it up. Innings anyway. 108 this year versus 99 last year. Not bad. In comparison Skenes is 107 this year versus 85 last year.

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yet another 9th inning rally to win. 3 for 3 so far.

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Lindsey starts over Dollander.

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Skenes dominant so far. Movement is incredible.

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yet another 9th inning rally to win. 3 for 3 so far.
so skenes has to go 9 to break the string

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Lindsey starts over Dollander.
not familiar with the strategy, but did they hold him back for Wake or the elim game?

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9 Ks through 5 for Skenes.

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Okay, no one ever talks about defense at first but that stretch was stupid

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not familiar with the strategy, but did they hold him back for Wake or the elim game?
They did the same in the super regionals. He now appears to be their number one.

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Skenes went one inning too long but was still over 100mph at the end.

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Re: Re: College Baseball 2023
« Reply #21: June 18, 2023, 01:06:38 AM »
UVA closer falling apart in the 9th. Two HRs to tie it and now bases loaded and one out. Finally they bring in another guy.

Worst coaching job I’ve ever seen.   That guy was out if gas in the eighth

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« Reply #22: June 18, 2023, 09:10:10 AM »
Worst coaching job I’ve ever seen.   That guy was out if gas in the eighth
Didn’t know he pitched the 8th. Makes it even worse.

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« Reply #23: June 18, 2023, 09:38:22 AM »
Last pitch was 101

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Via Grant Paulson: the final line on Skenes:
- 7.2 IP, 5H, 2R, 12Ks
- 122nd pitch was 101 MPH.
- Threw 46 pitches 100 MPH or more (MLB record is 39).