JoJo Gray

[hohoho]

The Dodgers are incredible and have set a new standard for stocking a farm while competing. It’s really impressive.

The Nats have a rep for doing ZERO analytics, and that isn’t accurate. They’ve had an analytics team for a long time, Rizzo called them the smartest people in the organization.

I’m not posting this to get into a debate about where they are on the Scouting vs Analytics scale as clearly we are a scouting heavy organization, just sharing what I know.

Every team plays some Billy Ball now.

[Natsinpwc]

So he is 23 and on his third major league team. (Reds, Dodgers, Nats)
So in mlb he has yielded 4 hrs and 6 runs in 8 innings.

Those are the facts thus far. More to be revealed in the coming weeks.

[hotshot]

The Dodgers are incredible and have set a new standard for stocking a farm while competing. It’s really impressive.

The Nats have a rep for doing ZERO analytics, and that isn’t accurate. They’ve had an analytics team for a long time, Rizzo called them the smartest people in the organization.

I’m not posting this to get into a debate about where they are on the Scouting vs Analytics scale as clearly we are a scouting heavy organization, just sharing what I know.

I think a case could be made that our "scouting heavy" approach isn't working. Didn't take a lot of analysis to take Strasburg and Harper, or Rendon and Giolito at/near the top of their drafts (although the injury histories of the latter two made them slightly risky high picks).

If I were Lerner I'd be asking Rizzo what it would take to give the Nats organization something at least more akin to the Dodgers' model/developmental success. Mike might be insulted by the question but ...

[bluestreak]

I think a case could be made that our "scouting heavy" approach isn't working. Didn't take a lot of analysis to take Strasburg and Harper, or Rendon and Giolito at/near the top of their drafts (although the injury histories of the latter two made them slightly risky high picks).

If I were Lerner I'd be asking Rizzo what it would take to give the Nats organization something at least more akin to the Dodgers' model/developmental success. Mike might be insulted by the question but ...

I imagine 29 owners should be asking that. Or 28 if you subtract the Rays.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

The Dodgers are incredible and have set a new standard for stocking a farm while competing. It’s really impressive.

The Nats have a rep for doing ZERO analytics, and that isn’t accurate. They’ve had an analytics team for a long time, Rizzo called them the smartest people in the organization.

I’m not posting this to get into a debate about where they are on the Scouting vs Analytics scale as clearly we are a scouting heavy organization, just sharing what I know.

I think it was the analytics guys wjo spotted Finnegan and Clay.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

So he is 23 and on his third major league team. (Reds, Dodgers, Nats)
So in mlb he has yielded 4 hrs and 6 runs in 8 innings.

5 runs in 13 innings now. Looks like he's on a how low you can go streak

[Kevrock]

I think a case could be made that our "scouting heavy" approach isn't working. Didn't take a lot of analysis to take Strasburg and Harper, or Rendon and Giolito at/near the top of their drafts (although the injury histories of the latter two made them slightly risky high picks).

If I were Lerner I'd be asking Rizzo what it would take to give the Nats organization something at least more akin to the Dodgers' model/developmental success. Mike might be insulted by the question but ...

I get what you’re saying, but by the time you catch up to the Dodgers the next thing will be king.

[blue911]

Ned Colletti is a big part of the Dodgers success, he hasn’t been their GM since late 2014

[Duke of Earl]

Sure, scouting is important. But when I think of development, I think of coaching at the minor league level.  The 50s Yankees and the 60s orioles come to mind.

[Mattionals]

Ned Colletti is a big part of the Dodgers success, he hasn’t been their GM since late 2014

Colletti now works for the San Jose Sharks. I do kinda feel like Colletti and Rizzo are very similar style GMs.

[madj55]

Went to the game last night. Was hoping for more swings and misses but he was still poised out there and didn’t give up much hard contact.

I like his delivery.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

And yet they only have as many titles the last thirty years as the Nats, Phillies, Reds, Royals.  Despite all the money spent. 

What are you on about?

Going back to 2008 to include the Phillies' last win is some really twisted logic there.  Nobody said "the Dodgers have been the best organization in the game since 2005" or "best in the last thirty years."  You're just cherry-picking random bullcrap because I guess you don't want to acknowledge that they're a tremendously successful organization for some reason?

Also, the Reds haven't even won a title in the last thirty years.

[Mattionals]

What are you on about?

Going back to 2008 to include the Phillies' last win is some really twisted logic there.  Nobody said "the Dodgers have been the best organization in the game since 2005" or "best in the last thirty years."  You're just cherry-picking random bullcrap because I guess you don't want to acknowledge that they're a tremendously successful organization for some reason?

Also, the Reds haven't even won a title in the last thirty years.

He means 31 years....

[KnorrForYourMoney]

I imagine 29 owners should be asking that. Or 28 if you subtract the Rays.

I don't think the Red Sox really need to question that.  And honestly, the Astros probably don't either, trash cans or no trash cans.

[Natsinpwc]

What are you on about?

Going back to 2008 to include the Phillies' last win is some really twisted logic there.  Nobody said "the Dodgers have been the best organization in the game since 2005" or "best in the last thirty years."  You're just cherry-picking random bullcrap because I guess you don't want to acknowledge that they're a tremendously successful organization for some reason?

Also, the Reds haven't even won a title in the last thirty years.

The Dodgers are chokers. They can only win during a short season. 

[Count Walewski]

The Dodgers have led MLB in payroll for how many of the last 10-15 years? I don't know the answer but I think it's for a significant number of those years. You can definitely argue that the Dodgers have underperformed in the postseason.

I've always admired the Cardinals and the Red Sox for having strong farm systems, but I suppose the Dodgers have built a great farm too. I don't really get a ton of Dodger news out east so they can fly under my radar.

[Smithian]

The Dodgers have led MLB in payroll for how many of the last 10-15 years? I don't know the answer but I think it's for a significant number of those years. You can definitely argue that the Dodgers have underperformed in the postseason.

I've always admired the Cardinals and the Red Sox for having strong farm systems, but I suppose the Dodgers have built a great farm too. I don't really get a ton of Dodger news out east so they can fly under my radar.

Right. You can only have 9 players in the lineup. The Nationals beat a 106 win Dodgers team in the NLCS.

I'd be more worried about the Dodgers if Nats had to compete with them for a division title every season.

[Natsinpwc]

The Dodgers are chokers. They can only win during a short season.

The funny thing about this I was just arguing with Welch a few weeks ago that the Dodgers were so good.  Just a few losing seasons over the past 50 years.  Slate has had quite the influence on me.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

The Dodgers have led MLB in payroll for how many of the last 10-15 years? I don't know the answer but I think it's for a significant number of those years. You can definitely argue that the Dodgers have underperformed in the postseason.

They didn't even lead MLB payroll in the most recent full season (2019):

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/2019/

Three NL pennants in four years with a World Series win is basically as strong of a 4-5 year run as any team has had so far this century, save the 2010-2014 Giants (and maybe the 2003-2007 Red Sox).

Trying to downplay that kind of success because a team isn't winning the World Series almost every year (incredibly difficult in today's league) is just stupid.

Slate has had quite the influence on me.

That's where you went wrong.

[Natsinpwc]

Trying to downplay that kind of success because a team isn't winning the World Series almost every year (incredibly difficult in today's league) is just stupid.

That's where you went wrong.

I was just trolling. Sort of.  They probably should have had more championships though.  I mean they are even behind the Giants so far this year.

[spidernat]

  Slate has had quite the influence on me.

I was just trolling. Sort of. 

[welch]

Gray had a solid 5-inning start. Yes, he was pulled at the right time. Needs a few more of those, out to six innings, If he's real, then he's the only trusty starter in the rotation. When Fedde and Ross are the next-best, it begins to get painful.

[NatsAllThe Way]

Gray had a solid 5-inning start. Yes, he was pulled at the right time. Needs a few more of those, out to six innings, If he's real, then he's the only trusty starter in the rotation. When Fedde and Ross are the next-best, it begins to get painful.

  I'm not.worried, this team is built on pitching.

[imref]

only problem with Gray pitching now in the majors is that he's our #2 prospect, so our farm system ranking will go down once he's off the prospect list.

[Natsinpwc]

  I'm not.worried, this team is built on pitching.