Author Topic: 2021 Trade Discussions/Rumors/Deadline - buy or sell (Read 38548 times)

catocony · « **Reply #1200:** July 30, 2021, 03:24:28 PM »

If they weren't on the Dodgers 26-main yesterday then they probably won't be on the Nats 26-man tonight. Hence half of Rochester on the way in. With Voth on the COVID IL, the bullpen is extra random this weekend. Maybe not worse than before, but at least Davey has a good excuse now for not using them very well. He has no clue who they are.

1995hoo · « **Reply #1201:** July 30, 2021, 03:27:07 PM »

Quote from: 1995hoo on July 30, 2021, 02:58:58 PM

Dougherty reporting Gomes and Harrison to Oakland; hasn't said who or what the return will be.

He reports the return is:
C Drew Millas
RHP Seth Shuman
RHP Richard Guasch

None of those names mean anything to me, but Guasch must be a good guy because he has an excellent first name.

UMDNats · « **Reply #1202:** July 30, 2021, 03:28:19 PM »

Millas was #13 in the BA mid-season top 30, Guasch was 30 I think and Shuman was the honorable mention. Shuman has excellent numbers this year and Millas looks really solid.

welch · « **Reply #1203:** July 30, 2021, 03:29:31 PM »

Quote from: UMDNats on July 30, 2021, 01:09:46 PM

Austin Martin is awesome but he's moved around to like four different positions, had throwing issues, and can't hit for power in AA. The #4 prospect they gave up had a velo drop and is getting shelled in AA. On paper it looks amazing for MIN and it's a very good haul for them (Martin was #5 pick last year) but there's some risk there.

Martin at minimum is probably a starter-level utility man though and a good clubhouse guy. Just a pure winner type.

Nope. This guy:

https://www.astonmartin.com/en-us/

Lazarchick 31 · « **Reply #1204:** July 30, 2021, 03:33:00 PM »

Well that return was quite awful.

Section214 · « **Reply #1205:** July 30, 2021, 03:33:14 PM »

Quote from: 1995hoo on July 30, 2021, 03:27:07 PM

He reports the return is:
C Drew Millas
RHP Seth Shuman
RHP Richard Guasch

None of those names mean anything to me, but Guasch must be a good guy because he has an excellent first name.

That's actually a pretty disappointing group to get back for BOTH of those guys. I was all for quantity over quality in a lot of these deals, but Guasch looks pretty worthless, Millas is #27 on their top list and looks like a solid switch hitting catcher. Shuman isn't on their top 30 list, but he's having a decent year in A+, at age 23..

welch · « **Reply #1206:** July 30, 2021, 03:34:11 PM »

Quote from: UMDNats on July 30, 2021, 03:28:19 PM

Millas was #13 in the BA mid-season top 30, Guasch was 30 I think and Shuman was the honorable mention. Shuman has excellent numbers this year and Millas looks really solid.

Why do the Nats need a fourth young catcher?

UMDNats · « **Reply #1207:** July 30, 2021, 03:34:52 PM »

Quote from: welch on July 30, 2021, 03:34:11 PM

Why do the Nats need a fourth young catcher?

To use in trades this winter.

Section214 · « **Reply #1208:** July 30, 2021, 03:35:39 PM »

Quote from: welch on July 30, 2021, 03:34:11 PM

Why do the Nats need a fourth young catcher?

Don't forget Pineda and Reetz..

UMDNats · « **Reply #1209:** July 30, 2021, 03:35:47 PM »

Quote from: Section214 on July 30, 2021, 03:33:14 PM

That's actually a pretty disappointing group to get back for BOTH of those guys. I was all for quantity over quality in a lot of these deals, but Guasch looks pretty worthless, Millas is #27 on their top list and looks like a solid switch hitting catcher. Shuman isn't on their top 30 list, but he's having a decent year in A+, at age 23..

Stop looking at pre-season lists on July 30th. BA has Millas as #13, Gausch as #30 and Shuman as #31. Three assets that, at worst, give us more ammunition to make moves in 6 months.

UMDNats · « **Reply #1210:** July 30, 2021, 03:36:14 PM »

Quote from: Section214 on July 30, 2021, 03:35:39 PM

Don't forget Pineda and Reetz..

Pineda blows and the Nats literally signed the corpse of Rene Rivera over playing Reetz.

imref · « **Reply #1211:** July 30, 2021, 03:36:59 PM »

Quote from: Section214 on July 30, 2021, 03:33:14 PM

That's actually a pretty disappointing group to get back for BOTH of those guys. I was all for quantity over quality in a lot of these deals, but Guasch looks pretty worthless, Millas is #27 on their top list and looks like a solid switch hitting catcher. Shuman isn't on their top 30 list, but he's having a decent year in A+, at age 23..

I posted his in the completed trades thread, here's what The Athletic's A's beat reporter posted:

Quote

Melissa Lockard
@melissalockard
Solid haul for the Nationals: Millas is an excellent defender with a good approach at the plate, Shuman has been outstanding this season and Guasch has two potential above-average offerings

UMDNats · « **Reply #1212:** July 30, 2021, 03:37:54 PM »

https://twitter.com/melissalockard/status/1421190343928684545?s=20

Solid haul for the Nationals: Millas is an excellent defender with a good approach at the plate, Shuman has been outstanding this season and Guasch has two potential above-average offerings

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You acquire as many good assets as you possibly can and let the best of the best work itself out.

Section214 · « **Reply #1213:** July 30, 2021, 03:39:51 PM »

Quote from: UMDNats on July 30, 2021, 03:35:47 PM

Stop looking at pre-season lists on July 30th. BA has Millas as #13, Gausch as #30 and Shuman as #31. Three assets that, at worst, give us more ammunition to make moves in 6 months.

Fair enough, but rankings aside, Gausch is a 23 year old being rocked in Single A. If he moved up in their farm rankings, there farm must stink. Millas looks like a nice player though and I get that Gomes and Harrison don't demand major return. Happy to have more bodies on the farm for sure.

Mattionals · « **Reply #1214:** July 30, 2021, 03:41:10 PM »

I think it's an ok return for old veteran guys on expiring contracts. Josh Harrison has been worth 1.4 fWAR and Gomes 1 fWAR. They are on expiring contracts. This is a fine return, and like the other deals, probably involved the A's picking up the money too.

Slateman · « **Reply #1215:** July 30, 2021, 03:42:02 PM »

Quote from: welch on July 30, 2021, 03:34:11 PM

Why do the Nats need a fourth young catcher?

Catchers are valuable

welch · « **Reply #1216:** July 30, 2021, 03:42:44 PM »

Quote from: UMDNats on July 30, 2021, 03:34:52 PM

To use in trades this winter.

OK. I'll buy that.

I looked at Oakland's Baseball Ref just now. They are desperate for a catcher who can hit. Their 2B is 37 and hitting .257, so Josh H will be an improvement.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #1217:** July 30, 2021, 03:44:16 PM »

Quote from: welch on July 30, 2021, 03:42:44 PM

OK. I'll buy that.

I looked at Oakland's Baseball Ref just now. They are desperate for a catcher who can hit. Their 2B is 37 and hitting .257, so Josh H will be an improvement.

Lowrie and Harrison might be a fine platoon. Each gives the other rest.

Slateman · « **Reply #1218:** July 30, 2021, 03:53:08 PM »

imref · « **Reply #1219:** July 30, 2021, 03:59:08 PM »

Kris Bryant to the Giants.

Will the last person left at Nats park tonight please turn out the lights?

nfotiu · « **Reply #1220:** July 30, 2021, 04:00:52 PM »

If I show up with a glove will one of the teams play me?

hohoho · « **Reply #1221:** July 30, 2021, 04:02:56 PM »

Quote from: welch on July 30, 2021, 03:34:11 PM

Why do the Nats need a fourth young catcher?

Ruiz is a bad catcher.

imref · « **Reply #1222:** July 30, 2021, 04:05:11 PM »

it's 4:00 PM /thread

1995hoo · « **Reply #1223:** July 30, 2021, 04:11:39 PM »

Quote from: imref on July 30, 2021, 04:05:11 PM

it's 4:00 PM /thread

Unless it's like the NHL where trade announcements continue to roll in after the actual deadline because the procedural niceties had to be satisfied before the annoucements.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #1224:** July 30, 2021, 04:13:41 PM »

my sense is this thread will eventually stop attracting posts.