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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2875 on: September 05, 2018, 04:39:40 pm »
Was Jayson Werth fired?

It's a different vernacular with players. You "release/DFA" or "cut" them vs. "signing". It's not a "hire" of "fire" thing. But, really, who cares? End result is they didn't him back on the team.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2876 on: September 05, 2018, 04:41:17 pm »
It's a different vernacular with players. You "release/DFA" or "cut" them vs. "signing". It's not a "hire" of "fire" thing.

when their contract runs out and you don't give them a new one.....
sounds like the same thing....

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2877 on: September 05, 2018, 04:42:18 pm »
when their contract runs out and you don't give them a new one.....
sounds like the same thing....

Do you hire and fire players? Doesn't sound like the same thing to me. And I still think it's quibbling, unless you are in the HR business, which my wife is and she reminds me it's a big deal.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2878 on: September 05, 2018, 05:05:47 pm »
when their contract runs out and you don't give them a new one.....
sounds like the same thing....

It seems to be a weird thing to focus on, that's all. He wanted to come back, they told hit to hit the bricks and did it in a crappy way. So technically, no he wasn't fired. But he was let go, or whatever.

So yeah, you're technically correct but it seems to me to be a distinction without a difference.

In the context of whether it was the right decision or not it seems to be weird to focus on the specific nomenclature of the action. I don't know if calling it a firing or a "non contract renewal" makes it better or worse.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2879 on: September 05, 2018, 05:19:20 pm »
Rizzo tells Craig Heist he hasn't considered any scenario in which Martinez isn't managing next year.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2880 on: September 05, 2018, 05:21:25 pm »
I understand the whole "dave will be back" from Rizzo.     However, if this crap continues into May, 2019, they may both be gone.    In any case, I bet the camel rental's been canceled.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2881 on: September 05, 2018, 05:21:56 pm »
Rizzo tells Craig Heist he hasn't considered any scenario in which Martinez isn't managing next year.
He also told everyone how they're sitting at the trade deadline, because he had faith in the team they had.

Things change ;)

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2882 on: September 05, 2018, 05:22:33 pm »
He also told everyone how they're sitting at the trade deadline, because he had faith in the team they had.

Things change ;)

Plus, we all know who calls the shots on the manager.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2883 on: September 05, 2018, 05:25:09 pm »
Rizzo tells Craig Heist he hasn't considered any scenario in which Martinez isn't managing next year.

Didn't he say he expected Dusty to be back this time last year?

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2884 on: September 05, 2018, 05:34:06 pm »
Plus, we all know who calls the shots on the manager.
Gotta be the GM, right?  It is his job, after all.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2885 on: September 05, 2018, 05:36:20 pm »
Gotta be the GM, right?  It is his job, after all.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no.    :)    Rizzo makes suggestions.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2886 on: September 05, 2018, 05:37:35 pm »
Can the Gm fire the owners?

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2887 on: September 05, 2018, 06:02:56 pm »
Disappointment not hate

Speak for yourself

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2888 on: September 05, 2018, 06:03:56 pm »
Speak for yourself

Always.   That's kind of obvious, don't ya think?

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2889 on: September 05, 2018, 06:05:42 pm »
Always.   That's kind of obvious, don't ya think?
You could be hired by the Russians.  :hysterical:

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2890 on: September 05, 2018, 06:07:18 pm »
You could be hired by the Russians.  :hysterical:

I'm gonna change my screen name to "mitlen, et. al."

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2891 on: September 05, 2018, 06:30:11 pm »
He also told everyone how they're sitting at the trade deadline, because he had faith in the team they had.

Things change ;)

They did sit

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2892 on: September 05, 2018, 06:30:21 pm »
I'm gonna change my screen name to "mitlen, et. al."
Reminds me of a work story. One of our managers was in a meeting and someone used et. al. a couple times. After the meeting he asked one of my colleagues who this Ed AL guy was they were talking about.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2893 on: September 05, 2018, 06:43:44 pm »
Reminds me of a work story. One of our managers was in a meeting and someone used et. al. a couple times. After the meeting he asked one of my colleagues who this Ed AL guy was they were talking about.

I waited tables at a restaurant in college and someone asked for "Al" sauce to go with her steak. I had no idea what she was talking about until she started screaming at me and pointing at the A1.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2894 on: September 05, 2018, 06:45:08 pm »
How do the Lerners tolerate dave? If Dusty was not good enough, what would this season have been?

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2895 on: September 05, 2018, 07:07:16 pm »
It seems to be a weird thing to focus on, that's all. He wanted to come back, they told hit to hit the bricks and did it in a crappy way. So technically, no he wasn't fired. But he was let go, or whatever.

So yeah, you're technically correct but it seems to me to be a distinction without a difference.

In the context of whether it was the right decision or not it seems to be weird to focus on the specific nomenclature of the action. I don't know if calling it a firing or a "non contract renewal" makes it better or worse.

I’ve been a contract worker; maybe that gives me a different perspective. Contracts end all the time and incumbents who wish to return have to not just earn it through their prior performance, but demonstrate an advantage over their competitors. Simply put, when you’re fired, you’ve done badly enough to be removed right away; when your contract is not extended, you might not have been awful, but you weren’t good enough to come back.

The discussion of davey and his shortcomings is totally separate from the debate over whether Dusty was good enough to bring back. And while I 100% agree that the way it was handled was weak,  i can absolutely see where ownership did not think Dusty earned another contract.  (FWIW I don’t think he would have been actually fired if he had another year on his contract— I don’t think he was bad enough to fire, and yes you  can be both not bad enough to fire and not good enough to deserve another contract.)

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2896 on: September 05, 2018, 07:10:01 pm »
How do the Lerners tolerate dave? If Dusty was not good enough, what would this season have been?

Because it's obvious that the underperformance is this team is primarily the result of injuries and lack of performance by the players?

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2897 on: September 05, 2018, 07:37:40 pm »
stop with the injury and lack of performance by players
he is a terrible manager

dusty had no bp for half a year a thin bench and his fare share of injuries

excuses are for losers

davey's moves cost this team as many games as they are back probably more
dusty wouldn't have made those moves

so sick of people accepting losing and making excuses
dusty had great excuses last year no bp injuries thin bench but no excuses did he use

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2898 on: September 05, 2018, 07:41:55 pm »
stop with the injury and lack of performance by players
he is a terrible manager

dusty had no bp for half a year a thin bench and his fare share of injuries

excuses are for losers

davey's moves cost this team as many games as they are back probably more
dusty wouldn't have made those moves

so sick of people accepting losing and making excuses
dusty had great excuses last year no bp injuries thin bench but no excuses did he use

Bullpen and the bench :lmao:

He had FOUR .900+ OPS bats in his lineup every day for most of the season, and 10+ more starts from Strasburg.

Oh and a crap division. Dusty had no excuses at the end of the year and still choked.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2899 on: September 05, 2018, 08:02:04 pm »
this dude's obsession with Baker is the creepiest obsession this forum has ever seen and that's saying a lot when you consider the odd obsessions we have seen :lmao: