PB69 presents "Fire Dave Martinez" (2018)

[PowerBoater69]

Rosenthal reported that Martinez was only making $850,000.

For the 3 years that the Nats are obligated to pay Martinez. They will owe him a total of 2.55 million dollars. Dusty was going to ask for more than that per year since he basically said in the media that he had been working at a discount (which is one of the things that pissed off the Lerners.)

Dusty was not in the top 25%

Note; This is the first listing of all the manager salaries I have even seen. It looks like it was released by USA Today 2 days ago.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/mlb/2018/08/27/mlb-managers-salary-rankings-how-much-paid-2018-baseball-season/1111776002/

1. Mike Scioscia, Los Angeles Angels: $6 million
1. Joe Maddon, Chicago Cubs, $6 million
1. Bruce Bochy, San Francisco Giants: $6 million
4. Terry Francona, Cleveland Indians: $4 million
4. Buck Showalter, Baltimore Orioles: $4 million
6. Ned Yost, Kansas City Royals: $3.7 million
7. Clint Hurdle, Pittsburgh Pirates: $3 million
7. #John Farrell, Boston Red Sox: $3 million
9. Bob Melvin, Oakland A’s: $2.5 million
10. Don Mattingly, Miami Marlins: $2.4 million
11. #Mike Matheny, St. Louis Cardinals: $1.9 million
12. John Gibbons, Toronto Blue Jays: $1.7 million
13. Ron Gardenhire, Detroit Tigers: $1.5 million
13. Craig Counsell, Milwaukee Brewers: $1.5 million
13. Paul Molitor, Minnesota Twins: $1.5 million
13. Bud Black, Colorado Rockies: $1.5 million
17. #Bryan Price, Cincinnati Reds: $1.4 million
18. A.J. Hinch, Houston Astros: $1.2 million
18. Rick Renteria, Chicago White Sox: $1.2 million
20. Aaron Boone, New York Yankees: $1.15 million
21. Kevin Cash, Tampa Bay Rays: $1 million
21. Dave Roberts, Los Angeles Dodgers: $1 million
21. Andy Green, San Diego Padres: $1 million
24. Jeff Bannister, Texas Rangers: $950,000
25. Torey Lovullo, Arizona Diamondbacks: $900,000
26. Davey Martinez, Washington Nationals: $850,000
26. Mickey Callaway, New York Mets: $850,000
28. Gabe Kapler, Philadelphia Phillies: $803,000
29. Alex Cora, Boston Red Sox: $800,000
29. Scott Servais, Seattle Mariners: $800,000
29. Brian Snitker, Atlanta Braves: $800,000
32. @Jim Riggleman, Cincinnati Reds: $700,000 (prorated)
32. @Mike Shildt, St. Louis Cardinals: $700,00 (prorated)

Well damn, wish I had posted that pissy reply about managers salaries being unknown 72 hours earlier. I still think that I've seen different reports over the past three years of what Baker was making, all in the same range, but from about 1.5 to a little over 2.

[PowerBoater69]

I like Gio in that spot. I really did. I didn’t think he was going to give up a grand slam, but hey. I’ve said it before. When we get good starting pitcher, we have a chance to win the ballgame. We were ahead and just couldn’t keep the lead.

We’re playing really, really well, we really are. The boys are playing hard. Playing with a lot of intensity. A lot of energy. I came in, I told them all, I said, ‘Hey, have a good day off. You guys are playing really good. We’ll come back Friday and we’ll do it again.’

[rileyn]

I'm not even going to comment on leaving Gio and Cordero in - both moves backfired but it happens.  What bothers me is why we didn't sac bunt in the 8th with runners on 1st and 2nd, and no outs, and down by a run.  That is absolutely the play there.  Let Roark or Max get the bunt down if you don't trust Reynolds to do it.  Even more confusing, he had Taylor bunt in the 6th with a runner on 2nd and no outs.  I would love to hear what he and Chip Hale discuss during game situations.

[Slateman]

I'm not even going to comment on leaving Gio and Cordero in - both moves backfired but it happens.  What bothers me is why we didn't sac bunt in the 8th with runners on 1st and 2nd, and no outs, and down by a run.  That is absolutely the play there.  Let Roark or Max get the bunt down if you don't trust Reynolds to do it.  Even more confusing, he had Taylor bunt in the 6th with a runner on 2nd and no outs.  I would love to hear what he and Chip Hale discuss during game situations.

Far bigger issue. Should have kept Reynolds there and gotten a pitcher to bunt. Eaton makes contact so good chance to bring a run in.

The other stuff .... eh whatever

[HalfSmokes]

Apparently Davey wanted to “see what Cordero’s got.”  “Stretch him out a bit.” That sounds like something you do in spring training. Not when your season is on life support.

Apparently Davey also thinks the boys are playing well. He’s made a habit of saying this recently.

NEWSFLASH: THE BOYS AREN’T PLAYING WELL. THEY HAVEN’T PLAYED WELL SINCE MAY.

At the end of May they were 33-23. Since then, they’ve gone 34-44.

the season is over - what's left might as well be an extended spring training. 

[PowerBoater69]

Let Roark or Max get the bunt down if you don't trust Reynolds to do it. 

Would have extended his short bench.

[Slateman]

the season is over - what's left might as well be an extended spring training. 

Agree with this. I might have gotten Cordero a little sooner, but no problem trying to stretch him out a bit, particularly before an off day.

[PowerBoater69]

the season is over - what's left might as well be an extended spring training. 

Lerner and Rizzo may have given up but bigger come backs have happened, chances are low but Martínez should still be in win mode. Even if the Nats don't beat the odds we should have been playing to knock the Phillies out.

[aspenbubba]

Lerner and Rizzo may have given up but bigger come backs have happened, chances are low but Martínez should still be in win mode. Even if the Nats don't beat the odds we should have been playing to knock the Phillies out.

Yes. Didn't we play the spoiler in '13 or '15?

[Ray D]

  Even more confusing, he had Taylor bunt in the 6th with a runner on 2nd and no outs.

I'm sure Taylor bunted on his own.  No way Martinez is that stupid.

[Natsinpwc]

Yes. Didn't we play the spoiler in '13 or '15?

Spoiled what?

[blue911]

Spoiled what?

We managed to knock out the Nationals both years. that's gotta count for something.

[Ali the Baseball Cat]

Cheating at solitaire...

[GburgNatsFan]

Cheating at solitaire...

If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough to win.

[PowerBoater69]

Cheating at solitaire...

How does that work? Is there a cheat code you enter?

[PowerBoater69]

[UMDNats]

Finally, a photo of a chart that means something.

[aspenbubba]

Finally, a photo of a chart that means something.

Managers salaries without an attribution. Let’s say it is fairly accurate. The two worst teams in MLB are paying their managers the 5 & 7 th highest salaries. No correlation between paying managers and success.

[Elvir Ovcina]

Managers salaries without an attribution. Let’s say it is fairly accurate. The two worst teams in MLB are paying their managers the 5 & 7 th highest salaries. No correlation between paying managers and success.

I think what you'd see with that chart is that there is a very high correlation between managerial experience and salary.  Managerial experience is indirectly correlated with success, but mostly in a long-term sense: successful managers get jobs over the long term, Manny Acta doesn't.  So the real question is correlation between managerial experience and success on a single-season basis.  That's fairly easily testable for someone with the data in a usable format. 

[PowerBoater69]

Managers salaries without an attribution. Let’s say it is fairly accurate. The two worst teams in MLB are paying their managers the 5 & 7 th highest salaries. No correlation between paying managers and success.

Source is Blue Streak's post. I added together the salaries for the three teams paying two managers.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

PowerTroller fails again. 

Barves and Philthies at the bottom of the chart, below the Nats, completing contradicting whatever point he was trying to make.  (And teams like the Angels, Orioles, Royals, and Bucs in the top 10.)

[Slateman]

PowerTroller fails again. 

Barves and Philthies at the bottom of the chart, below the Nats, completing contradicting whatever point he was trying to make.  (And teams like the Angels, Orioles, Royals, and Bucs in the top 10.)

And the Mariners, who have 75 wins despite having a -42 run differential

[PowerBoater69]

Barves and Philthies at the bottom of the chart, below the Nats, completing contradicting whatever point he was trying to make.  (And teams like the Angels, Orioles, Royals, and Bucs in the top 10.)

You give me too much credit, I added up the #s for the three teams with two managers to get the average salary per team but saw nothing new or notable in the results. I had no point to make which is why I posted the pic with no comment. The salary reveal only confirms what everyone already knew, that experienced and successful managers make more than new managers, that past success does not guarantee future success, and that Lerner took his 97 win/CBT paying team and went cheap with the manager hire.

[tzinc]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/take-a-good-look-at-these-nationals-you-wont-be-seeing-a-lot-of-them-next-season/2018/08/30/7d32cf66-ac83-11e8-b1da-ff7faa680710_story.html?utm_term=.2d22df3c7a50

another article bemoaning the firing of Dusty

[Ray D]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/take-a-good-look-at-these-nationals-you-wont-be-seeing-a-lot-of-them-next-season/2018/08/30/7d32cf66-ac83-11e8-b1da-ff7faa680710_story.html?utm_term=.2d22df3c7a50

another article bemoaning the firing of Dusty

I didn't read any bemoaning.  What I got from the article is a strong case not to sign Harper, when that money can otherwise  be put to such good use given the crop of free agents available.