Author Topic: Why Gomes over Suzuki? (Read 1326 times)

aspenbubba · « **on:** July 17, 2019, 05:59:50 pm »

DM must have a reason. Is he holding Suzuki back for a play off run. Do some starters prefer him over Suzuki? Is there a nagging injury? Is he hoping that Gomes reverts back to his performance last year?

Slateman · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2019, 06:04:47 pm »

Because pitch framing?

mitlen · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2019, 06:12:34 pm »

It can only be age. Doesn't wanna wear him out now. However, if we get to October? Wear him out.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #3 on:** July 17, 2019, 06:16:21 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on July 17, 2019, 06:04:47 pm

Because pitch framing?

Not worth an oh fer five

NatNasty · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2019, 07:12:44 pm »

Quote from: aspenbubba on July 17, 2019, 05:59:50 pm

DM must have a reason. Is he holding Suzuki back for a play off run. Do some starters prefer him over Suzuki? Is there a nagging injury? Is he hoping that Gomes reverts back to his performance last year?

I bet he just flips a coin...

DCFan · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2019, 07:20:42 pm »

Quote from: aspenbubba on July 17, 2019, 05:59:50 pm

DM must have a reason. Is he holding Suzuki back for a play off run. Do some starters prefer him over Suzuki? Is there a nagging injury? Is he hoping that Gomes reverts back to his performance last year?

What are you dense? Suzuki is 35 years old! How many catchers play full time in their mid thirties? This has to be pointed out to you?

tenken627 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2019, 07:38:19 pm »

Quote from: DCFan on July 17, 2019, 07:20:42 pm

What are you dense? Suzuki is 35 years old! How many catchers play full time in their mid thirties? This has to be pointed out to you?

imref · « **Reply #7 on:** July 17, 2019, 08:25:02 pm »

Zuck was asked this during his weekly chat, and if the Nets would promote Kieboom, here's his response:

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Mark Zuckerman Mod DMCj • 2 days ago
There's no question Gomes has been a disappointment, at least when you consider how he was touted at the time of the trade. He was supposed to have some pop at the plate and be above-average behind the plate. As a hitter, he's been quite weak: Of the 37 MLB catchers with at least 150 plate appearances, he ranks 30th in offense per Fangraphs' formula. (Kurt Suzuki ranks 14th.) He's actually been better defensively than you might think (17th, with Suzuki 32nd) but that hasn't been significant enough to make up for the offensive deficiencies (Gomes is 31st out of 37 in WAR, with Suzuki 26th).

Now, all that said I don't see Spencer Kieboom getting any playing time unless one of the two veterans is hurt. Gomes and Suzuki are both better in the whole than Kieboom.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #8 on:** July 17, 2019, 08:37:09 pm »

Does anyone know how many games each has started.

Slateman · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2019, 08:42:33 pm »

Quote from: aspenbubba on July 17, 2019, 08:37:09 pm

Does anyone know how many games each has started.

Gomes - 51
Suzuki - 42

slhubic · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2019, 09:11:36 pm »

haha, didn't see this...and...I was just wondering this, as most sane people have.

Mathguy · « **Reply #11 on:** July 18, 2019, 05:20:28 am »

Gomes looked pretty sharp tonight vs O's, throwing out runners @ 2nd and picking off a runner at 1st

UMDNats · « **Reply #12 on:** July 18, 2019, 10:29:57 am »

Quote from: Mathguy on July 18, 2019, 05:20:28 am

Gomes looked pretty sharp tonight vs O's, throwing out runners @ 2nd and picking off a runner at 1st

yeah but the guy hasn't made hard contact since may

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #13 on:** July 18, 2019, 01:30:49 pm »

Gomes had had a couple of lousy offensive years before last year that were supposedly due to coming off injury. It's looking like last year was the aberration. Suzuki is starting 40+% of the games between his regular pitchers and days after nights. I'm not sure how much more work we were expecting Suzuki to get. I'll guess down the stretch Suzuki gets more time, maybe lines up with 3 starters.

Bloo · « **Reply #14 on:** July 18, 2019, 02:43:50 pm »

Because you touch yourself at night

UMDNats · « **Reply #15 on:** July 18, 2019, 03:50:00 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on July 18, 2019, 01:30:49 pm

Gomes had had a couple of lousy offensive years before last year that were supposedly due to coming off injury. It's looking like last year was the aberration. Suzuki is starting 40+% of the games between his regular pitchers and days after nights. I'm not sure how much more work we were expecting Suzuki to get. I'll guess down the stretch Suzuki gets more time, maybe lines up with 3 starters.

IMO we've seen more of Gomes recently because we've been playing bad teams, and if there's a time to play your worse catcher, it is when you are less likely to suffer from the drop in performance. He's still good defensively, and against teams like Miami or Baltimore, playing him is fine considering we've got a ton of games down the stretch against good teams and need Kurt as rested as possible.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #16 on:** July 18, 2019, 04:43:55 pm »

Suzuki tonight. Does Suzuki always catch Stras now? Who lines up with Suzuki typically?

spidernat · « **Reply #17 on:** July 18, 2019, 04:48:15 pm »

just started that, I think Suzuki gets 3 out of 4 this weekend

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #18 on:** July 18, 2019, 04:50:21 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on July 18, 2019, 04:48:15 pm

just started that, I think Suzuki gets 3 out of 4 this weekend

He gets Sanchez too. Does he take Max or Corbin?

These guys would need to be a bit spread out so he doesn't do too many back to backs in a row.

spidernat · « **Reply #19 on:** July 18, 2019, 05:24:48 pm »

Scherzer

tenken627 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 19, 2019, 08:19:58 am »

Can't even frame pitches

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/washingtons-yan-gomes-acquisition-isnt-working-out.html

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Set to turn 32 this Friday, Gomes was a valuable backstop in Cleveland, where he totaled 13.7 fWAR from 2013-18. But Gomes has taken massive steps back in D.C., where he has accounted for minus-0.2 fWAR and mustered an unsightly .202/.298/.290 batting line with three home runs in 208 plate appearances. Gomes’ 54 wRC+ is barely more than half the 101 he managed last year with the Tribe, and his .087 ISO ranks ninth worst in the majors among 262 hitters who have amassed at least 200 trips to the plate.

To make matters worse, Gomes hasn’t been the same caliber of defender he was just a year ago, when he ranked as one of Baseball Prospectus’ premier catchers (including in the pitch-framing department). Although Gomes has thrown out a strong 36 percent of would-be base stealers – up from 29 percent in 2018 – BP regards the Washington version as a below-average backstop and a subpar framer. Meanwhile, Statcast only puts Gomes’ in the majors’ 36th percentile when it comes to stealing strikes.

Slateman · « **Reply #21 on:** July 19, 2019, 10:46:30 am »

That's mainly due to having a new pitching staff. Hes already improved and will be close to where he was in Cleveland by the end of August

UMDNats · « **Reply #22 on:** July 19, 2019, 11:00:54 am »

Gomes is 8 for his last 62 - a .454 OPS. He is 1 for his last 19. His last extra-base hit was June 21.

The Gomes trade is going to go down as one of Rizzo's worst, probably. If not his worst. Daniel Johnson just played in the Futures game and has an OPS of .913 in AAA. Jefry Rodriguez had a 101 ERA+ before he got hurt. Gomes doesn't show any signs of being unlucky or getting out of his slump - it's just one terrible at-bat after another. Strasburg's single and homer were better than any Gomes swing since May. Oh, and either we pick up Gomes' option for 2020 or we pay him to go away.

Cool trade Mike. Way to go! (What an offseason for Mike - Gomes, Rosenthal, Barraclough. Dozier has been passable, and Kurt has hit well at least. Good thing he was smart enough to sign the best FA starter. Sweet!)

Air Desmond · « **Reply #23 on:** July 19, 2019, 11:58:58 pm »

What’s the solution here? If Suzuki isn’t physically capable of being the everyday catcher, you can’t keep starting Gomes. He’s now hitting 198.

Jeff in Gaithersburg · « **Reply #24 on:** July 20, 2019, 12:17:34 am »

I was hoping they would get Grandal but I get that he would have been really expensive. That said I think there were other options out there (Lucroy for example) without having to give up prospects for Gomes.