Maddon, Girardi, Showalter

[Slateman]

Players that lost significant time for the Dodgers: Clayton Kershaw, Kenley Jansen, Hyun-jin Ryu, Corey Seager, Ross Stripling, Kenta Maeda, Julio Urias, Justin Turner

Dodgers had 1694 DL days with 32 million dollars in salary

Nats had 1367 DL days with 28.7 million dollars in salary.

Ryun, Stripling, Urias, and Maeda are nothings. Wood, Walker, and Hill made up for it.

They got Machado to replace Seager.

Nats had more significant injuries and a complete dearth of production. The Dodgers had 3 starts from a pitcher with an ERA over 4.  Not 3 starters. Three starts.

Kenley Jansen pitched 71 innings. Doolittle pitched 45.

Oh and despite that, the Dodgers won 12 games less than last season.  So yeah, pretty sure when you have significant injuries, you're going to lose more games.

[hotshot]

The Yankees had a ton of prospects and depth. Andujar, Torres, then they had a ton of young arms to try as rotation pieces that gave them some decent starts. I mean, Chapman-Robertson-Betances-Green-Shreve-Holder-Kanhle (who fell apart) to start the year is way more depth in the 'pen than we had.

They lost Montgomery for the year but had the resources to acquire starters (Happ & Lynn) after trying out their younger guys. When guys went down they had a top prospect ready to replace him. We don't even touch their depth. Not to mention even after losing Montgomery they had Severino, Tanaka, Sabathia & Gray.

Judge missed time and they replaced him with Andrew McCutchen. Their top OF prospect was hurt as was Ellsbury all year and they STILL had Gardner, Stanton & Hicks every night. The depth comparison is more than troubling. You'd think it would not be THAT stark!

Boone did a nice job all year but the Yankees are freaking loaded. We replaced Daniel Murphy with Wilmer Difo and replaced Stephen Strasburg with....Rodriguez?

Excellent points. Just to complete the list, Yanks also lost their power bat-no field catcher, Gary Sanchez and Greg Bird who was expected to provide a lot offensively, did not. The depth comparison is more than troubling. You'd think it would not be THAT stark!

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Players that lost significant time for the Dodgers: Clayton Kershaw, Kenley Jansen, Hyun-jin Ryu, Corey Seager, Ross Stripling, Kenta Maeda, Julio Urias, Justin Turner

Dodgers had 1694 DL days with 32 million dollars in salary

Nats had 1367 DL days with 28.7 million dollars in salary.

lose seager, trade for Machado.  I'm a Dave Roberts fan, but that backfill is not him possessing managing skills not here in DC.  That's the Dodgers having depth and budget to pull off a deal for Machado.  The lack of system depth and financial constraints are Rizzo / Lerner issues.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Look at the Yankees DL this season. Dwarfs the Nats in terms of key losses.

The Yankees had a ton of prospects and depth. Andujar, Torres, then they had a ton of young arms to try as rotation pieces that gave them some decent starts. I mean, Chapman-Robertson-Betances-Green-Shreve-Holder-Kanhle (who fell apart) to start the year is way more depth in the 'pen than we had.

They lost Montgomery for the year but had the resources to acquire starters (Happ & Lynn) after trying out their younger guys. When guys went down they had a top prospect ready to replace him. We don't even touch their depth. Not to mention even after losing Montgomery they had Severino, Tanaka, Sabathia & Gray.

Judge missed time and they replaced him with Andrew McCutchen. Their top OF prospect was hurt as was Ellsbury all year and they STILL had Gardner, Stanton & Hicks every night.

Boone did a nice job all year but the Yankees are freaking loaded. We replaced Daniel Murphy with Wilmer Difo and replaced Stephen Strasburg with....Rodriguez?

yes, the effect of injuries on the Dodgers and the NYY v. the impact on the Nats reflect on front offices and ownership resources, not the field manager. 

[bluestreak]

Seager went down on April 29th. They traded for Machado on July 19th. I'm not sure why everyone is behaving like they replaced him immediately. That had to play without their All Star infielder for almost 3 months. 

I do agree that if you don't plan for Strasburg to hit the DL then that is a failure of roster construction.

[hotshot]

yes, the effect of injuries on the Dodgers and the NYY v. the impact on the Nats reflect on front offices and ownership resources, not the field manager.

Can't disagree with that at all. But ... the fact that the Nats are comparatively hamstrung in relation to the depth of the "big boys" is all the more reason to hire the very highest caliber manager you can pay for!

[Slateman]

Seager went down on April 29th. They traded for Machado on July 19th. I'm not sure why everyone is behaving like they replaced him immediately. That had to play without their All Star infielder for almost 3 months. 

I do agree that if you don't plan for Strasburg to hit the DL then that is a failure of roster construction.

So did the Nats. Murphy didn't show up until June 12, and hit .253/.307/.330 until the ASB.

Meanwhile, Bryce Harper was hitting .201/.323/.439, Gio went 3-4 with 4.24 ERA, and Tanner went 2-10 with an ERA over 5.

[Slateman]

lose seager, trade for Machado.  I'm a Dave Roberts fan, but that backfill is not him possessing managing skills not here in DC.  That's the Dodgers having depth and budget to pull off a deal for Machado.  The lack of system depth and financial constraints are Rizzo / Lerner issues.

Nats had the resources, they just didnt want to part with them. Again, it's far more telling that Rizzo didnt add anyone at the deadline. He knew this team was underachieving and wasnt willing to bet on a turn around.

[bluestreak]

So did the Nats. Murphy didn't show up until June 12, and hit .253/.307/.330 until the ASB.

Meanwhile, Bryce Harper was hitting .201/.323/.439, Gio went 3-4 with 4.24 ERA, and Tanner went 2-10 with an ERA over 5.

Yeah. And the Nats aren’t playing and the Dodgers are. What’s your point?

[Slateman]

Yeah. And the Nats aren’t playing and the Dodgers are. What’s your point?

Same point I had all along. Joe Giardi, Buck Showalter, Joe Torre, Earl Weaver, or Sparky Anderson couldn't do crap with a roster that was this injured and underachieved this much.

[rileyn]

Same point I had all along. Joe Giardi, Buck Showalter, Joe Torre, Earl Weaver, or Sparky Anderson couldn't do crap with a roster that was this injured and underachieved this much.

Do you think Martinez maxed us out this year? 

[Slateman]

Do you think Martinez maxed us out this year? 

No. But I think a manger is worth maybe 2 games in the regular season. It's why I put no stock in Dusty Baker's regular season success. His inability to make even simple decisions in the playoffs negated his value in the regular season.

This team doesn't get to 85 wins this season with Dusty.

[spidernat]

Slate, you're going to piss off the Dusty testicle ornaments.

[Slateman]

Slate, you're going to piss off the Dusty testicle ornaments.

oh no

Sorry, but the Dusty Apostates need to suck start a shotgun. He used Sammy Solis in a playoff game. /discussion

[mitlen]

Do you think Martinez maxed us out this year? 

That's a good question.   

[Ray D]

oh no

. He used Sammy Solis in a playoff game.

What the freak does that have to do with 85 wins. We all acknowledge his limitation as a post-season manager.  I'd rather have gone to the post season and gotten swept first round (or lose the wildcard game) then to have suffered through a regular season with Martinez and his 82 wins.

[rileyn]

No. But I think a manger is worth maybe 2 games in the regular season. It's why I put no stock in Dusty Baker's regular season success. His inability to make even simple decisions in the playoffs negated his value in the regular season.

This team doesn't get to 85 wins this season with Dusty.

What does Dusty have to do with it?  I didn't ask you about Dusty.  Dusty was gone.  There were 3 billion other people on the planet to choose from.  I asked you about the guy we got, Martinez.

[aBaltoNat]

oh no

Sorry, but the Dusty Apostates need to suck start a shotgun. He used Sammy Solis in a playoff game. /discussion

Suck start a shotgun....nice.

 

[Slateman]

What the freak does that have to do with 85 wins. We all acknowledge his limitation as a post-season manager.  I'd rather have gone to the post season and gotten swept first round (or lose the wildcard game) then to have suffered through a regular season with Martinez and his 82 wins.

Because Dusty wasnt winning more than 85 games with this year's team. No one was.

[Count Walewski]

No. But I think a manger is worth maybe 2 games in the regular season.

I used to confidently believe this. After Matt Williams and Dave Martinez I am not so sure anymore.

[welch]

Showalter, with the Yankees, was mostly famous for telling everyone how smart he is. Not a manager the Nats should want...unless to torment Angelos.

Girardi is pretty good. Brian Cashman thought he was too tough for young players. Maybe the Nats need Girardi, although Lerners and Rizzo seem committed to dave for 2019.

[Optics]

I think Girardi is burnt out and done. HARD pass on Showalter and Maddon isn't leaving Chicago(and the sun no longer seems to be shining on his qwerky behind).

[KnorrForYourMoney]

Girardi is pretty good. Brian Cashman thought he was too tough for young players.

Sounds like exactly what this team needs.  Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll sit out another year and replace Martinez after 2019.

[Natsinpwc]

Sounds like exactly what this team needs.  Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll sit out another year and replace Martinez after 2019.

After a World Series victory? Not likely.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

  You stick to your optimistic guns, if nothing else.