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« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2018, 05:48:55 pm »

And I would probably add that this board is definitely a little more insular than others. On a place like reddit you are only as good as your last post, but around here there can be a lot more "my opinion is worth more than yours bc of my post numbers", which can be intimidating and tiresome for newer users
New topics are down because there are posters on here that will ream your ass out for daring to start a new thread when there is already a thread that is somewhat related.  It's off-putting and reeks of exclusivity.  At least that's how I took it/take it, and I'm guessing others have felt the same way.  The merging of threads also discourages new topics, which I guess is the point, but 1/2 of the posts of the long threads become inside conversations between posters for multiple pages.  I don't see the harm in allowing new topics/threads.  It keeps a board moving. 

Just my $.02. 
Thanks.  I did not realize the thread merging and the thread splitting were that off-putting.  I guess there's mixed thoughts about it.   I think the advantage of message boards is the ability to have conversations on different subjects that go on over time, so that's usually the intent behind when I split or merge topics.  As long as the page views keep on going up, the drop in new topics I think is not so much a problem. 

I think the number of new members and posts are maybe a better indicator of how we are doing, whether the conversations are lively, and whether we are getting too insular.  I also try to get a feel for members who leave / get po'd / feel chased off.  Hard to get a stat on that. 

I don't know what to do about the perception that its just a bunch of folks who know each other exchanging inside jokes.  I can understand that one could get a feeling that, say, the 10,000 post members more or less can get a longer leash and get away with stuff that others don't.  I'll completely admit that I'm reluctant to step in if a post is in style that folks are used to over a number of years.  That's probably not fair, and I've been called on that.  Truth is, I get worn down a bit, can't keep up, don't like removing or editing posts, etc...  I take racist / sexist / bigoted comments more seriously than a couple of old posters throwing shots at each other.  In that situation, I'll usually break it off into a separate thread, PM, or post a "knock it off."

We might have gone through all of last year with no more than 5 instances of a muting or banning of a member,and at least one was the Cubs troll who spammed the board after game 5.  I can maybe check the moderating info to confirm that, but we really don't do that much aggressive moderating. Some of that is probably due to members who maintain a tone here.  Does that make things insular?  maybe.

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« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2018, 06:04:24 pm »
Is that a serious question?

he's warming up for the season on the minor league boards. :)

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« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2018, 06:07:53 pm »
Thanks.  I did not realize the thread merging and the thread splitting were that off-putting.  I guess there's mixed thoughts about it.   I think the advantage of message boards is the ability to have conversations on different subjects that go on over time, so that's usually the intent behind when I split or merge topics.
Well I'm a big fan of the way you run this forum and I wouldn't want you to change anything, including thread merging, splitting, etc.  I don't know for sure why MLB got rid of their message boards but I suspect that part of the reason is that they did not want to expend the resources to manage them usefully, and therefore their boards were nowhere near as interesting as this forum.

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« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2018, 06:08:36 pm »
I didn't mean it to be a super harsh critique, I love this place! For dedicated Nats only baseball talk, there isn't a better place online, in my opinion. Every board will inevitably develop their own unique identity/language, and it is probably easier to learn/feel out on a place like Reddit, with thousands of posts a day, than a smaller board like WNFF. The majority of the posters here are really smart and knowledgable Nats fans and my first instinct, whenever I see any Nats offseason news, is to run over here and see what you guys think about it. Really glad the offseason is almost over!

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« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2018, 06:14:38 pm »
around here there can be a lot more "my opinion is worth more than yours bc of my post numbers",
Isn't it true that the post count includes game-day thread posts? Otherwise how does one accumulate 50,000 posts.  Personally, I don't think those should count.  I don't participate in game day threads, ever.  Just not my sort of think. I've been  here quite a long time and post pretty regularly. My post count is around 9,000, which,  compared with 50,000, makes me  a relative newcomer.

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« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2018, 06:40:28 pm »
Tip my hat to Flannys
Fan extrodinare who fate denied him seeing the good times R.I.P.

I forgot about him.  Also Cubiche, also known as "NoSpinZone".  He met us out a few times for lunch and is memorialized on the tailgate party that Debbie Taylor visited at RFK.  But I have this feeling that any number of folks pass away and their kin never have the ability or knowledge to return an let us know.  Kind of sad when you think about it.  I guess this is the price of anonymity.

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« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2018, 07:05:27 pm »
Thanks.  I did not realize the thread merging and the thread splitting were that off-putting.  I guess there's mixed thoughts about it.   I think the advantage of message boards is the ability to have conversations on different subjects that go on over time, so that's usually the intent behind when I split or merge topics.  As long as the page views keep on going up, the drop in new topics I think is not so much a problem. 

I think the number of new members and posts are maybe a better indicator of how we are doing, whether the conversations are lively, and whether we are getting too insular.  I also try to get a feel for members who leave / get po'd / feel chased off.  Hard to get a stat on that. 

I don't know what to do about the perception that its just a bunch of folks who know each other exchanging inside jokes.  I can understand that one could get a feeling that, say, the 10,000 post members more or less can get a longer leash and get away with stuff that others don't.  I'll completely admit that I'm reluctant to step in if a post is in style that folks are used to over a number of years.  That's probably not fair, and I've been called on that.  Truth is, I get worn down a bit, can't keep up, don't like removing or editing posts, etc...  I take racist / sexist / bigoted comments more seriously than a couple of old posters throwing shots at each other.  In that situation, I'll usually break it off into a separate thread, PM, or post a "knock it off."

We might have gone through all of last year with no more than 5 instances of a muting or banning of a member,and at least one was the Cubs troll who spammed the board after game 5.  I can maybe check the moderating info to confirm that, but we really don't do that much aggressive moderating. Some of that is probably due to members who maintain a tone here.  Does that make things insular?  maybe.

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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2018, 07:18:30 pm »
Donate $100 to the next fund drive and The Chief will give you count authority.    I mean, really?      :smh:

Chief tends to give away the shop sometimes, he's too generous.

The system most of us prefer is that you can make contributions to the MBF (Moderator Benevolent Fund) which earn you PCC's (Post Count Credits), but if you have a weak post count to start with it's not going to make the difference up by itself.

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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2018, 07:21:23 pm »
Chief tends to give away the shop sometimes, he's too generous.

The system most of us prefer is that you can make contributions to the MBF (Moderator Benevolent Fund) which earn you PCC's (Post Count Credits), but if you have a weak post count to start with it's not going to make the difference up by itself.

Ninja'd that sucker.    I should have simply walked away.

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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2018, 07:31:14 pm »
I didn't mean it to be a super harsh critique, I love this place! For dedicated Nats only baseball talk, there isn't a better place online, in my opinion. Every board will inevitably develop their own unique identity/language, and it is probably easier to learn/feel out on a place like Reddit, with thousands of posts a day, than a smaller board like WNFF. The majority of the posters here are really smart and knowledgable Nats fans and my first instinct, whenever I see any Nats offseason news, is to run over here and see what you guys think about it. Really glad the offseason is almost over!
I didn't take it harshly. I thought it was a good post that deserved an honest reply. 

Actually, as I think more about some of this, I think we've had a bigger decline in our GDT posts than in our topic threads.  I do think that, in some ways, twitter might be a better format for GDTs because the posts are mostly quick reactions. 

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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2018, 08:18:18 pm »
Thanks.  I did not realize the thread merging and the thread splitting were that off-putting.  I guess there's mixed thoughts about it.   I think the advantage of message boards is the ability to have conversations on different subjects that go on over time, so that's usually the intent behind when I split or merge topics.  As long as the page views keep on going up, the drop in new topics I think is not so much a problem. 

I think the number of new members and posts are maybe a better indicator of how we are doing, whether the conversations are lively, and whether we are getting too insular.  I also try to get a feel for members who leave / get po'd / feel chased off.  Hard to get a stat on that. 

I don't know what to do about the perception that its just a bunch of folks who know each other exchanging inside jokes.  I can understand that one could get a feeling that, say, the 10,000 post members more or less can get a longer leash and get away with stuff that others don't.  I'll completely admit that I'm reluctant to step in if a post is in style that folks are used to over a number of years.  That's probably not fair, and I've been called on that.  Truth is, I get worn down a bit, can't keep up, don't like removing or editing posts, etc...  I take racist / sexist / bigoted comments more seriously than a couple of old posters throwing shots at each other.  In that situation, I'll usually break it off into a separate thread, PM, or post a "knock it off."

We might have gone through all of last year with no more than 5 instances of a muting or banning of a member,and at least one was the Cubs troll who spammed the board after game 5.  I can maybe check the moderating info to confirm that, but we really don't do that much aggressive moderating. Some of that is probably due to members who maintain a tone here.  Does that make things insular?  maybe.

The thread merging is not off-putting, it was the comments that came a select few when starting a thread about something new, how it could have gone under an already existing thread.  For example, if something noteworthy happens with Bryce, and a poster starts a new thread on it, they may get shamed by some with replies along the lines of, "uh, couldn't this go under the Bryce Harper thread?  Did you really need a new thread for this?"   It's really no big deal, but that is why new topics are down.  It's not a big deal.  I've been a member here since it started, even though I don't post as much.  I enjoy this place and the banter.

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« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2018, 08:35:05 am »
........  Wonder whatever happened to Zimmm?


Is that the same “Zimmm” that traveled the world drinking exotic $50 coffees pre-roasted via the bowels of donkeys? ..... if it is, HE IS A MESSAGE BOARD SUPERSTAR!!! Loved that guy. What a hoot he was/is. 

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« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2018, 09:06:41 am »
I was not a fan of the thread merging here for a while. It can take some time to get used to the idea that your post in one place is now mixed into a much larger thread. But for regular posters it is nice to have everything for one subject in one place.

Reddit has another good Nats message board and they have separate threads if Harper coughs and/or sneezes. Which can be good because usually the headline will tell you if it is worth a click to get the new information. The downside of so many threads is that conversations last from between a few hours to a couple days at most. I really like that at WNFF you can respond to a comment from a couple weeks earlier and restart the topic.

The thing that stinks about losing the MLB board is that often the message boards are the best place to find information about Nats news from the early years. In a number of cases there are articles that have been deleted from the original source that have excerpts still available on the boards. Lots and lots of conversations about the DC Council debates and the early years of the MASN dispute are now lost.

Hopefully Rich and Kim make their way over here.

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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2018, 09:35:45 am »
Tomterp, there was also spin man, Colin Balesters father in law who arranged a pre game gathering with Balester, Bob Carpenter and one other Nats player I can't recall.
Sophie once put on a nice tailgate at Bob C stopped by for a dog or two. She also scored us a visit up to the TV booth right after Dibble, the anti FP, departed. From that booth the players look ant like; a bunch of Altuves.

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« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2018, 10:32:41 am »
New topics are down because there are posters on here that will ream your ass out for daring to start a new thread when there is already a thread that is somewhat related.  It's off-putting and reeks of exclusivity.  At least that's how I took it/take it, and I'm guessing others have felt the same way.  The merging of threads also discourages new topics, which I guess is the point, but 1/2 of the posts of the long threads become inside conversations between posters for multiple pages.  I don't see the harm in allowing new topics/threads.  It keeps a board moving. 

Just my $.02. 

Thread merging/splitting is one thing - We're open to feedback about that, and it does carry some of the risks you mention.  But I haven't noticed the other thing you mentioned, could you point out some instances?  I think people are just used to doing it that way now, but anyone is welcome to start up their own thread/topic any time.

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« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2018, 10:40:56 am »
Thread merging/splitting is one thing - We're open to feedback about that, and it does carry some of the risks you mention.  But I haven't noticed the other thing you mentioned, could you point out some instances?  I think people are just used to doing it that way now, but anyone is welcome to start up their own thread/topic any time.

Wrong thread...  :whistle:

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« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2018, 10:46:37 am »
In the spirit of making new topics :P

"Concerning Post Count"

http://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=36168.0

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« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2018, 11:01:08 am »
Thread merging/splitting is one thing - We're open to feedback about that, and it does carry some of the risks you mention.  But I haven't noticed the other thing you mentioned, could you point out some instances?  I think people are just used to doing it that way now, but anyone is welcome to start up their own thread/topic any time.
No, I can't give specifics.  It's been awhile and I was only using it as an explanation for one major reason new threads are down.  It's because new threads are discouraged.  Again, it's not a big deal.  This board doesn't need an overhaul.

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« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2018, 11:19:02 am »
Wasn't thinking overhaul, but there's no need for anyone to be rude to people starting new topics :)

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« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2018, 01:10:56 pm »
Tomterp, there was also spin man, Colin Balesters father in law who arranged a pre game gathering with Balester, Bob Carpenter and one other Nats player I can't recall.
Sophie once put on a nice tailgate at Bob C stopped by for a dog or two. She also scored us a visit up to the TV booth right after Dibble, the anti FP, departed. From that booth the players look ant like; a bunch of Altuves.

I was at that pre-game gathering, as were a number of other folks from here - Blue911 and CalsGr8 for 2.  I don't recall any other player besides Colin though.  Were you there?  There's a picture around here somewhere of that group...

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« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2018, 01:11:43 pm »
Just came over from the MLB Message Boards.  When I was browsing WNFF last year (for the first time) one of the things I noticed immediately was that there were way too many concurrent threads.  Just an objective observation.

Questions:
Is 'The Clubhouse' the main place for discussion of current Nats topics? 
Is 'The Red Loft' a miscellaneous place to put anything on earth? 
How and why does one use the pin feature?

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« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2018, 01:13:27 pm »
Just came over from the MLB Message Boards.  When I was browsing WNFF last year (for the first time) one of the things I noticed immediately was that there were way too many concurrent threads.  Just an objective observation.

Questions:
Is 'The Clubhouse' the main place for discussion of current Nats topics? 
Is 'The Red Loft' a miscellaneous place to put anything on earth? 
How and why does one use the pin feature?

Yes, yes, only mods can pin threads.

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« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2018, 01:15:39 pm »
Yes, yes, only mods can pin threads.

Hey, we have to have something not offered to the general posting class.  At least once a year I pin a thread and I can just feel the power surging through my finger.
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« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2018, 01:18:05 pm »
Hey, we have to have something not offered to the general posting class.  At least once a year I pin a thread and I can just feel the power surging through my finger.
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One of these days the people will rise up, pronounce me their leader...and I too will pin a thread.