Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?

[bluestreak]

After last night Wieters is an offensive catcher. 

I’m offended just looking at him.

[Ray D]

After last night Wieters is an offensive catcher. 

I’m offended just looking at him.

see my new thread.  http://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=35873.0

[LoveAngelos]

In regards to Gio laying blame on the lack of faith.in him:

If he said that he is a head case. Most people with any modicum of steeleness would use that to self motivate.

I have no doubt he said it.
He also said in 2012 he pitched well enough to won after blowing a 6 run lead against the Cardinals

[Mighty Casey]

What we saw was just a quicker replay of the season's typical ABs.....when the opposing pitchers are struggling, our boys whiff at the first lousy pitch, then watch any good pitch sail by, then flail at some low, outside or inside, bouncing in the dirt 'pitch', striking out and then they aim their pouting face towards the scoreboard, for reasons that elude me....it's not like the ump is going to change his call on a replay...no one chokes up with 2 strikes - they just choke.
Everyone wants to be the Hero, flailing at everything, hoping for a home run, when just a single would do...and base running blunders abound, mostly because this is a home run or nothing team, and no one has ever bothered to study base running skills because they are just waiting to trot lazily around if someone else manages to hit said home run.
But they will keep telling us how good they are, how talented they are, how they grind and allegedly play hard....then we see their actual performance under pressure...

[DPMOmaha]

Boz basically says gutless. Welch disagrees.

[Mighty Casey]

I vote for gutless.

[Natsinpwc]

I vote for gutless.

I vote for dumb. Dumb hitters. Dumb managerial moves. Dumb plays all around such as Weiters throwing to first when he had no chance and Turner missing an easy tag. And dumb for us to keep following them.

[Nats Diamond]

I vote for despairing.

[bluestreak]

My vote is for unlucky...

[HattoriHanzo]

I vote for both stupid and sackless. The nats do not play a game of baseball onesupmanship. They do not steal signals or anything to gain a competitive advantage in the old school way. They just watch videos and believe that they can get by on talent alone. Other than Max and Murphy and maybe Harper I don't see too many refuse to lose types of guys in the nats dugout. The nats will have teams that can win the division for many years to come even if Bryce and Murphy leave, but their window to win it all is down to their 1 right now. Robles and Fedde can't fill the holes of the vets right now. I hope that there is more urgency in them next season. I am sick of seeing them being so laid back and confused after getting eliminated when they were the better team.

[LoveAngelos]

The wood in their bats does seem to equal the wood in their heads.
Harper especially  seemed to be swinging for the moon when adjusting his swing for a base hit with RISP was needed.
Sometimes the settlers did not need the entire US Cavlry to save the day. Just John Wayne and a few well placed shots.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Sometimes the settlers did not need the entire US Calvary to save the day.

Calvary is in Jerusalem or its outskirts if you believe it is Gordon's site.  Cavalry ride horses.

[LoveAngelos]

 

Calvary is in Jerusalem or its outskirts if you believe it is Gordon's site.  Cavalry ride horses.

[monkeyhit]

Well, Ryan Zimmerman isn't talentless, so he must be gutless. Same with Turner, Harper and Rendon. Can't win with gutless players in playoffs, Justin Turner will eat them for lunch.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

The problem with this thread is there should be a 3d option - clueless.  That could describe Lind swinging at a cruddy 1st pitch with the bases loaded and the pitcher not being able to hit the side of a barn.  Maybe the missed cutoff guys, too.  Harper has talent, his arm is strong, and I would not call him gutless.  I might say bonehead but not gutless or talentless.  I can only conclude Angelosux.

[bluestreak]

The problem with this thread is there should be a 3d option - clueless.  That could describe Lind swinging at a cruddy 1st pitch with the bases loaded and the pitcher not being able to hit the side of a barn.  Maybe the missed cutoff guys, too.  Harper has talent, his arm is strong, and I would not call him gutless.  I might say bonehead but not gutless or talentless.  I can only conclude Angelosux.

Lind has produced all year. Every living thing on this board was begging for him to be put in because of how good a hitter he’s been this year. He fails in this one at bat and he’s clueless? Come on people.

[MarquisDeSade]

Lind has produced all year. Every living thing on this board was begging for him to be put in because of how good a hitter he’s been this year. He fails in this one at bat and he’s clueless? Come on people.

90% of the posts here are HOT TAKES too absurd for Twitter.

[Slateman]

Some are gutless. But honestly, neither team hit well in the series.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Lind has produced all year. Every living thing on this board was begging for him to be put in because of how good a hitter he’s been this year. He fails in this one at bat and he’s clueless? Come on people.

I'm not disputing he had a good year and has talent. I'm just saying that particular play was clueless.  Has the talent, had the guts, didn't have a good approach to the AB.

[MorseTheHorse]

I'm not disputing he had a good year and has talent. I'm just saying that particular play was clueless.  Has the talent, had the guts, didn't have a good approach to the AB.

I don't think that's fair.  It's a healthy debate giving him a 0-0 green light there or not, but I think your making a lot of assumptions about Lind and the bench's lack of thought there. 

[JCA-CrystalCity]

OK, but you realize just what the reaction not only here but also around the country was to that AB?  It had a lot of competition for fails (Weiters in the 5th, Lobaton's pick off) but it was right up there in terms WTF was he doing.  I love Lind, want him back, but I'm guessing even he says he f'd up. 

[Mathguy]

How did you get data on this from around the country ?

OK, but you realize just what the reaction not only here but also around the country was to that AB?  It had a lot of competition for fails (Weiters in the 5th, Lobaton's pick off) but it was right up there in terms WTF was he doing.  I love Lind, want him back, but I'm guessing even he says he f'd up. 

[JCA-CrystalCity]

How did you get data on this from around the country ?

Baseball websites, newspapers, radio talk shows.  I was kind of surprised that this was being talked about on NBCSportsNewEngland, which simulcasts a couple of radio talk shows up in Boston.  I saw it on SonsofSamHorn, and I think it was mentioned on Fangraphs in an article defending Dusty, and maybe the Post.  It was a huge mistake.  The argument for swinging on the first pitch is, after a couple of walks, the reliever maybe grooves the first pitch expecting a take, but you can't be so aggressive that you jump on a pitch you beat into the ground.  That's the single way they get out of that mess. 

Like I say, I like Lind, I want him back, but it was at best misexecution.

[Mighty Casey]

I don't understand what the rush was for Lind to swing at the first pitch, from a struggling pitcher....what, someone was going to turn the lights off soon? It is just another example of the below average baseball IQ of this team....it's all about wanting to be the Hero, instead of playing sound, fundamental baseball.
How many times did Dusty call a hit and run this season? 3? 4? Never? Why? Because half of the line up cannot be trusted to make contact at an opportune time...with two strikes on almost any of them, it would be positively dumb to call for the hit and run because our boys would whiff about 95% of the time...
The Nats were a very boring team to watch...mostly everyone standing on base waiting for someone to hit a home run...which might explain why their collective base running skills are near zero...no practice and no practical reason to practice since their basic strategy was to just swing for home runs....
Lobaton getting picked off was about the dumbest thing imaginable...residents of the planet Neptune know that the Cub's catcher is the best at snap throws to first, but Lobaton was off in another world, likely mentally balancing his check book instead of paying attention to the game...and where was Lopes? Scratching his behind? Why didn't he tell Flubb-a-ton to stay put? Or maybe he did, but Flubb-a-ton was too arrogant to heed the warning...

[LoveAngelos]

By the point of the "LindSwing" the game should have been put away by then.

Gutless Gio....getting on topic......was the main culprit for the loss. Others like Zimmerman  just followed  Gio's lead