Fire Dusty Baker!

[mitlen]

Is Dusty still here?

[DPMOmaha]

I don't have a problem with it. They've got the luxury to do that sort of thing.

[bluestreak]

Drew is playing 2B tonight instead of Murphy. Unless Murphy's injured ( ), why rest the league's best hitter after four days off (or three out of four days off if you count the ASG) AND in a hitter-friendly park??? If you want to get Drew some ABs, put him in at SS.

A day off after after two days off is more effective than a random day off next week. Stacking days off has as additive effect. And why does it matter. If all we care about are playoffs (which is all I hear here), them we should be all about resting players with such a large lead.

[mimontero88]

A day off after after two days off is more effective than a random day off next week. Stacking days off has as additive effect. And why does it matter. If all we care about are playoffs (which is all I hear here), them we should be all about resting players with such a large lead.

Agreed.  The only reason to be remotely concerned about this would be if Murph is actually hurt, which we have no evidence for at this point.

[tenken627]

Dusty is a great clubhouse motivator, what with all his old baseball stories and all.  And there is something to that, especially after the shape of the club psyche after Matt Williams.

But Dusty is a horrible in-game manager. Which is what we need right now. We could still win October, but I'm very pessimistic about our chances with Dusty. His history of botch managing jobs in the playoffs is well known. And we witnessed it first hand last year. I mean, I know the bullpen is a mess right now, but when has he ever managed a bullpen well in his two decades of managerial history??

I think he was the right choice after the Matt Williams/DC Strangler debacle. He helped heal wounds/got the team playing for each other again. Thats what he's good at. But to win championships, we need to follow the other teams who used to employ him and move on.

[whytev]

Zuck saying Dusty wants to give the ASG guys extra rest, so Murphy is sitting. Likely Bryce and Zimm will be sitting a day soon too.  REALLY??????

It's the Reds.

Look at the standings.

[nfotiu]

But Dusty is a horrible in-game manager. Which is what we need right now. We could still win October, but I'm very pessimistic about our chances with Dusty. His history of botch managing jobs in the playoffs is well known. And we witnessed it first hand last year. I mean, I know the bullpen is a mess right now, but when has he ever managed a bullpen well in his two decades of managerial history??

I don't agree with that statement at all.  Everyone is a great second guesser at BP management with 20/20 foresight, but I could see his reasoning in every move he made.  Of all the managers we've had here, he strikes me as the most thoughtful and cognitive manager we've had when listening to their post game conferences.

[tenken627]

And another thing. I don't care if you are Tony Effing La Russa. You do not ever EVER call out your hometown fans of the city that you are managing. Even if it IS true. Thats straight bush league.

[tenken627]

I don't agree with that statement at all.  Everyone is a great second guesser at BP management with 20/20 foresight, but I could see his reasoning in every move he made.  Of all the managers we've had here, he strikes me as the most thoughtful and cognitive manager we've had when listening to their post game conferences.

Just because you are thoughtful and cognizant during press conferences does not make you a great manager. Are you basing managerial prowess on how articulate someone is? This isn't a small sample size. We are talking about 20 years of failure. Not 20 years of bad luck. There is a reason why he keeps swinging and missing for this long.

And there is a reason why fans of every other teams he has managed have long been satisfied after his departure. The fans of these same deplorable Reds that we are watching would never want Dusty back even after he took them to the playoffs. Same with San Francisco. Same with Chicago. They are all glad Dusty is gone.

[mitlen]

And another thing. I don't care if you are Tony Effing La Russa. You do not ever EVER call out your hometown fans of the city that you are managing. Even if it IS true. Thats straight bush league.

Mic drop  ....

[nfotiu]

Just because you are thoughtful and cognizant during press conferences does not make you a great manager. Are you basing managerial prowess on how articulate someone is? This isn't a small sample size. We are talking about 20 years of failure. Not 20 years of bad luck. There is a reason why he keeps swinging and missing for this long.

And there is a reason why fans of every other teams he has managed have long been satisfied after his departure. The fans of these same deplorable Reds that we are watching would never want Dusty back even after he took them to the playoffs. Same with San Francisco. Same with Chicago. They are all glad Dusty is gone.

I didn't say articulate.  My point was he comes across as being thoughtful in his decisions.  On a scale of 10, I'd consider him an 8 or 9, Davey a 6 or 7, Riggleman a 5, letting an xbox make your decisions a 3, and Matt Williams a 1.

How many teams out there would want any of their ex managers back?   Can you count them on more than 1 or 2 fingers?

[tenken627]

I didn't say articulate.  My point was he comes across as being thoughtful in his decisions.  On a scale of 10, I'd consider him an 8 or 9, Davey a 6 or 7, Riggleman a 5, letting an xbox make your decisions a 3, and Matt Williams a 1.

He is gregarious, the man likes to talk. Thats part of his charm. I'm sure he's an intelligent human being. Thoughtful in his comments and conversations.

But this is a result based society. Especially moreso in competetive team sports. And there are plenty of ineffectual individuals who are great at excusing away why things are the way they are. And they might even be right. They might even sway you to see that used car would be your perfect match. But for whatever reason, whether it be old school biases to his "instinctual , gut determinations", the results have not been there as a manager. For a longggg time.

How many teams out there would want any of their ex managers back?   Can you count them on more than 1 or 2 fingers?

Huh? There are plenty of teams that would like previous managers back. Most teams have pretty long histories with fond memories of managers.  Just because the nats only have had Frank, Acta, Riggleman, Davey, Matt Williams, and Dusty in their short history, don't sell fans of other teams short.

Plus, usually managers who take their teams to the playoffs have at least some supporters and detractors after employment. I never see supporters of Dusty from other team forums. Actually I don't remember a single nice thing written.

[spidernat]

And there is a reason why fans of every other teams he has managed have long been satisfied after his departure.

You're right. There is a reason for that.

[nfotiu]

Huh? There are plenty of teams that would like previous managers back. Most teams have pretty long histories with fond memories of managers.  Just because the nats only have had Frank, Acta, Riggleman, Davey, Matt Williams, and Dusty in their short history, don't sell fans of other teams short.

Plus, usually managers who take their teams to the playoffs have at least some supporters and detractors after employment. I never see supporters of Dusty from other team forums. Actually I don't remember a single nice thing written.

Name 3 teams that have a majority of their fan base that wants an ex-manager back.

[Natsinpwc]

Name 3 teams that have a majority of their fan base that wants an ex-manager back.

The Yankees want Casey Stengel.  Dodgers want Walter Alston.  And the Giants want Leo.

[mitlen]

The Yankees want Casey Stengel.  Dodgers want Walter Alston.  And the Giants want Leo.

How 'bout your Reds and Sparky?

[tenken627]

What. You don't think some sox fans wouldn't want Tito back right now, even after how things ended? Or would most rays turn away Maddon right now, he only had one pennant out of all those years. As many as Dusty before last year. Would marlins fans prefer Joe Girardi or Don Mattingly? These are only recent managers that are still in the game. 

I've even heard a lot of good things said about Bud Black from padres fans. And yet you never hear a positive peep from fans of teams Dusty used to manage.

[Natsinpwc]

How 'bout your Reds and Sparky?

That's right!!

Guy taking tickets at the gate last year told me they miss Dusty.

[tenken627]

That's right!!

Guy taking tickets at the gate last year told me they miss Dusty.

Right. The ticket taker. Probably misses the fact that Dusty used to talk to him sometimes. He is pretty friendly. I would probably miss him saying "Hi, how's it going?" too.

I just want to win in October. Sorry if I sounded harsh.

[Natsinpwc]

Right. The ticket taker. Probably misses the fact that Dusty used to talk to him sometimes. He is pretty friendly. I would probably miss him saying "Hi, how's it going?" too.

I just want to win in October. Sorry if I sounded harsh.

Probably fired up with him too.

[varoadking]

What the hell did Rusty do now?

[Natsinpwc]

What the hell did Rusty do now?

Didn't come over to say hello to you. So we're all upset.

[varoadking]

Didn't come over to say hello to you. So we're all upset.

I told him I wasnt available, so lighten up, peeps ..

[tenken627]

Didn't come over to say hello to you. So we're all upset.

But riggles says hi

[nfotiu]

What. You don't think some sox fans wouldn't want Tito back right now, even after how things ended? Or would most rays turn away Maddon right now, he only had one pennant out of all those years. As many as Dusty before last year. Would marlins fans prefer Joe Girardi or Don Mattingly? These are only recent managers that are still in the game. 

I've even heard a lot of good things said about Bud Black from padres fans. And yet you never hear a positive peep from fans of teams Dusty used to manage.

Maybe with some jerry-rigging and a third party candidate you could get the Red Sox to bring back Tito.   

The Florida teams have got to be irrelevant though, don't they?   They don't make any discernible effort to keep players or managers, and I'm sure there's a huge list of both they'd like back if you could drag more than 5% of their baseball voting public to the polls!