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Offline endersshadow

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The Matt Williams Effect
« on: March 26, 2014, 07:07:00 pm »
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to watch any of the games.  All I am left with are box scores, articles, and you guys.  When Williams came to town, I feel like he preached two things - aggressiveness and defense.  I've read about the aggressiveness.  The runners are not just stealing more frequently, they're going on their gut instinct.  I like the independence.   Batters are swinging when they want to (whether it's the first pitch or not).  However, I don't see anything about the defense.  Occasionally I see a highlight like the diving catches from Span and Espi, and I see the errors in the box score.  But for those of you that can see the games, how do you feel like they're playing defensively?  Does it show that they're practicing more and that the ball club is no longer playing at a "country club"?

Looking forward to your thoughts.

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2014, 07:34:35 pm »
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to watch any of the games.  All I am left with are box scores, articles, and you guys.  When Williams came to town, I feel like he preached two things - aggressiveness and defense.  I've read about the aggressiveness.  The runners are not just stealing more frequently, they're going on their gut instinct.  I like the independence.   Batters are swinging when they want to (whether it's the first pitch or not).  However, I don't see anything about the defense.  Occasionally I see a highlight like the diving catches from Span and Espi, and I see the errors in the box score.  But for those of you that can see the games, how do you feel like they're playing defensively?  Does it show that they're practicing more and that the ball club is no longer playing at a "country club"?

Looking forward to your thoughts.

It's definitely clear from the media, players, management, coaches and the way the Nats are playing that the "country club" is closed.   Williams may lighten up later in the summer but right now, it's clear it's his way.    The defense is gonna be a little more tricky.   They're positioning differently for different batters but it's hard to pick up as to whether it will result in better defense.    I'm hoping the focus Williams has instilled will result in better defense.   Of course, LaRoche, Desi, Span, Werth, Rendon, etc. aren't too shabby as is.    We gotta score some runs.

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2014, 08:30:20 pm »
They're positioning differently for different batters but it's hard to pick up as to whether it will result in better defense.   

If done moderately this can only help us.   I guess it's possible they go crazy with shifts but no reason to think they just won't make subtle shifts to take advantage of known tendencies and steal a few more outs.  Smart teams do this, about time we joined the trend.

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2014, 08:32:18 pm »
Last year the Nationals were 30th in defensive shifts and the Rays used over 10 times as many shifts as we did. It would require increasing the amount of shifts we use on defense by about 1500% percent to really "go crazy with shifts."

Yes, generally speaking shifts do help a little bit, and if it helps us prevent 10 runs over the course of the year, then job well done.

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2014, 08:21:24 am »
Shifts no doubt help, but defense is about execution and game awareness, too.   I'm a huge fans of lining up the defense where guys hit the ball and pitching to the defense. 

You look at Pittsburgh, and they have increased shifting over the past few years, and gotten pitchers to pitch to the defense (pullable low sinkers so that they generate grounders into the shift), and they have greatly improved their defense (2013 groundball percentage (GB%)- 52.5%, batting average on balls in play (BABIP) - .285; 2012 - 46.6%, .286; 2011 - 45.6%, .300; 2010 - 44.0%, .311).  That type of pitching also improved their HRs allowed per 9 innings, and led to drops both in traditional measures like ERA but also in advanced "FIP" (a measure of Pitchers performance that is "Fielding Independent", thus FIP).

The issue with the Nationals will be, no matter how much they shift, they still need to execute.  Zimmerman needs to be able to throw accurately and needs to move back so that his range improves.  Desi, for all his physical gifts of range and arm, needs to continue to not force throws when he should eat the ball and has to minimize the stone hands he sometimes displays.  Rendon looks like he can play second, but he still is short on reps at the position.  That should continue to improve.  Our two best defensive infielders for their positions, Espinosa and LaRoche, will be fine with the glove, but will have their playing time limited by their offense. 

As for the pitching, Roark, Fister and Zimmermann are all groundball pitchers by nature, and Strasburg has become a very high % groundball pitcher.  Among pitchers with 162+ innings, Fister was 4th in GB%, Strasburg 8th, and JZ 23d out of 81 pitchers.  fister and Strasburg were over 50% groundballs, and only 13 pitchers did that.  We have the starting staff to pitch to an aggressive shifting defense, so it will come down to execution by the fielders, scouting for opportune times to shift, and confidence in the strategy.

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2014, 08:42:08 am »
Shifts no doubt help, but defense is about execution and game awareness, too.   I'm a huge fans of lining up the defense where guys hit the ball and pitching to the defense. 

You look at Pittsburgh, and they have increased shifting over the past few years, and gotten pitchers to pitch to the defense (pullable low sinkers so that they generate grounders into the shift), and they have greatly improved their defense (2013 groundball percentage (GB%)- 52.5%, batting average on balls in play (BABIP) - .285; 2012 - 46.6%, .286; 2011 - 45.6%, .300; 2010 - 44.0%, .311).  That type of pitching also improved their HRs allowed per 9 innings, and led to drops both in traditional measures like ERA but also in advanced "FIP" (a measure of Pitchers performance that is "Fielding Independent", thus FIP).

The issue with the Nationals will be, no matter how much they shift, they still need to execute.  Zimmerman needs to be able to throw accurately and needs to move back so that his range improves.  Desi, for all his physical gifts of range and arm, needs to continue to not force throws when he should eat the ball and has to minimize the stone hands he sometimes displays.  Rendon looks like he can play second, but he still is short on reps at the position.  That should continue to improve.  Our two best defensive infielders for their positions, Espinosa and LaRoche, will be fine with the glove, but will have their playing time limited by their offense. 

As for the pitching, Roark, Fister and Zimmermann are all groundball pitchers by nature, and Strasburg has become a very high % groundball pitcher.  Among pitchers with 162+ innings, Fister was 4th in GB%, Strasburg 8th, and JZ 23d out of 81 pitchers.  fister and Strasburg were over 50% groundballs, and only 13 pitchers did that.  We have the starting staff to pitch to an aggressive shifting defense, so it will come down to execution by the fielders, scouting for opportune times to shift, and confidence in the strategy.

This   ...  "The issue with the Nationals will be, no matter how much they shift, they still need to execute."

Still gotta catch it and throw it.    I'm not sold on Zimmerman's arm issues being resolved among other things.    Man, I'm ready for the season to start so we can find out all these things !

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2014, 08:55:49 am »
JCA, realistically, if everything breaks perfectly for Williams and if all of the spin is true (Davey running a country club, williams teaching and instilling discipline), how many wins can we expect the change to produce? Most of what I've read seems to imply managers have negligible or at best unmeasurable value, but that doesn't seem correct - just think how often you screamed at davey for bring in x reliever or pinch hitter, surely those decision (right or wrong) have some impact?

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2014, 09:10:49 am »
managers have negligible or at best unmeasurable value,
I definitely disagree with "negligible".  (Perhaps "unmeasurable" but that just means it could be any number of games and we cannot determine that number.)  I mean, how many more games would the Red Sox have won in 2012, with ANY manager other than Valentine? Maybe  20?  So Valentine cost them 20 games.  That may be an extreme case, but there are many, less-dramatic cases, where a new manager creates a work ethic and new culture - nothing to do with game decisions but how he prepares a team to win - that's worth ten games.

I think it is quite possible that Matt Williams could be worth a five game improvement, and the improvements we've made in player personnel another five games, for a total of a 10 game improvement.

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2014, 09:17:29 am »
That may be an extreme case, but there are many, less-dramatic cases, where a new manager creates a work ethic and new culture - nothing to do with game decisions but how he prepares a team to win - that's worth ten games.

Valentine is probably an outlier, but definitely an example of a manager costing a team wins- the question in other cases is, are people looking back and attributing wins that would have happened anyway (most teams have differing records from year to year) to 'culture' i.e. is it really the manager?

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2014, 11:56:45 am »
Well, if by shifting you can change your pitchers BABIP from .300 2 years ago to .285, over 4000 balls in play, that an extra 60 outs.  I've got to think that is worth a couple of wins, at least.

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2014, 12:01:37 pm »
What I'm hoping to see across the board is more methodical play. Last year we just looked too careless and ill prepared most of the time. One thing that really pissed me off is how much mediocre SPs with 4+ ERAs would always go like 7 IP 2 ER 8 Ks vs. us.

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2014, 10:47:42 pm »
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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2014, 04:24:14 am »
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Haha, after last night, I was thinking of this but I didn't want to.  We can beat terrible teams but can't contend with good ones.  That makes us slightly better than mediocre, I guess.

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2014, 06:29:45 am »
Haha, after last night, I was thinking of this but I didn't want to.  We can beat terrible teams but can't contend with good ones.  That makes us slightly better than mediocre, I guess.

Lol...overreact much?

No doubt the defense has been atrocious but we are only a couple of weeks into a very long season. I actually think we saw one of the biggest differences between Williams and Johnson as manager...Williams apparently lit into the team last night after that atrocious game. Who knows if that is the right approach but it is definitely different than Davy. 

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2014, 07:48:54 am »
Ian Desmond has a .860 fielding percentage which would be below average for 1885 when they played without gloves.

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2014, 08:17:04 am »
Ian Desmond has a .860 fielding percentage which would be below average for 1885 when they played without gloves.

What are you talking about blue? Bob and FP were arguing last night that they have been playing baseball for 150 years without anything about the game being altered.

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2014, 08:23:48 am »
Ian Desmond has a .860 fielding percentage which would be below average for 1885 when they played without gloves.

Roberto Duran > Ian Desmond

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2014, 08:30:04 am »
I wish Desmond would go to Williams and say "no mas".


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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2014, 08:38:39 am »
Need to bring back the daily sayings

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2014, 08:45:42 am »
Need to bring back the daily sayings

"Get your head out of your ass" would work

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2014, 08:48:36 am »
" I hear the MC Donalds up the street is hiring" would probably be appropriate too.

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Re: The Matt Williams Effect
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2014, 09:07:18 am »
Matt needs to get pissed or something