Church Feeling the Pressure From Snelling

[Nat of the Living Dead]

Ridiculous analogy

"Wolf in sheeps clothing" is not accurate. Did he leave us any worse off than when he got here? I dont think so. So that is not the end of the discussion.

We will never know if he had any intention of staying in DC. The Nats couldnt even come close to the Cubs offer. 

Basically what Soriano did was what any MLB player would have done. Say the right things, and take the best offer

Church could not ask to be sent elsewhere unless he wants to cut off his nose to spite his face.  Is he going to demand a trade and force the Nats to trade him for peanuts? Is he going hold out?  So I'm not going to give him credit for being quiet.

Players who hit 46 HRs can take certain liberties.

It wasnt just some Nats fans who got all excited when Soriano stayed,  the players gave him an ovation in the locker room after the deadline passed, chanted his name, put him in a throne type thing, and gave him some high end tequilla (which I would assume is Patron, but maybe there is a whole other level of tequila out there) if my memory of an article serves me right.  And I'm pretty sure none of the players begrudge him for leaving.  Unlike you for some reason.  Its baseball, its business, someone else is bound to scar this badly again.

By most accounts people in the locker room loved him and he was the hardest worker on the team.  If a guy like that cant cash in for 136 mil, who can?

But I guess he was supposed to take 50-60 mil less to stay with the nats

Oh please, stop trying to make a guy who whined, complained, and then walked out on his team when they wanted to have him switch positions (which also IMO, saved his career and made him worth the 136 to the Chubs) as some sort of hero who did what he did and then the Nats turned their backs on him.  Don't try to have me choke down that represents "good character" and use the "baseball is a business" cop out either.  Cry me a river.  Walking out on your team is even worse than loading yourself up with steriods.  Again, I said I was basing it on character, not on the 40-40 wonder season that did more to help him than it did to the team as a whole.  Soriano's character sucked.  And when your a team in need of offense, of course you try to whoo him.  Leader and work ethic my ass.

The cleat analogy sucked?  This coming from the guy who is nitpicking any interview he can find on Church with "I's" instead of "we's."

This bickering is ridiculous and the reasons it is I have stated in other threads so I won't do it again here.  The guy who performs the best will be out there Opening Day and I will be happy with whoever Acta decides.

[Nat of the Living Dead]

Church is 3 for 5 tonight including a 3-run homer and 5 RBI's.

"Can I call him a gamer now?"

That is the Ryan many of us are hoping and pulling for.  He needs to keep it up.  Hell, the whole team needs to keep up this butt whoopin'!

[Dave B]

Oh please, stop trying to make a guy who whined, complained, and then walked out on his team when they wanted to have him switch positions (which also IMO, saved his career and made him worth the 136 to the Chubs) as some sort of hero who did what he did and then the Nats turned their backs on him.

The cleat analogy sucked?  This coming from the guy who is nitpicking any interview he can find on Church with "I's" instead of "we's."

This bickering is ridiculous and the reasons it is I have stated in other threads so I won't do it again here.  The guy who performs the best will be out there Opening Day and I will be happy with whoever Acta decides.

A) I never tried to never make him a hero, just stated he is a Major League Baseball player gettin paid.  And just figured I'd throw in the part about how his teammates liked him so maybe he isnt such a dirtbag. I figured they would be better judges of that than you or I.

B) The I's and We's was not me

[Kenz aFan]

You know, I've also noticed that Church ties his own cleats and doesn't help out and offer to tie the other player's cleats as well......

While you and everyone is having fun making snide remarks and being funny about the whole "who's gonna be in left field" debate, the player who's been the most consistent through whole of spring training isn't even being considered for a starting job. Why? Because he has a frigging option left? Give me a frigging break. If Casto is supposed to be part of the franchise's future, trade either Snelling or Church, give the LF job to Casto and have whoever of Church or Snelling that's still around after the other gets traded come off the bench. Better yet, trade both Snelling and Church, so this silly debate can be over and done with.

I could add a few smart ass comments in my posts, and I guarantee, none of them would sound the least bit like I'm doctoring my post so it doesn't offend Tom, Dick or Harry. I could, but I wont.

[Kenz aFan]

Church is 3 for 5 tonight including a 3-run homer and 5 RBI's.

With all due respect, on a day when even your starting pitcher goes 3 for 4 and scores a pair of runs, you wont convince me Church's numbers are impressive. What's more impressive to me is Jesus Flores going 3 for 5, with a homer, two RBI and four runs scored, raising his spring BA to .500 and Flores never played above A ball prior to this year. Now THAT'S IMPRESSIVE.

I'm sorry, if I'm not impressed by a player who, in three full weeks of spring training games, has had two, count em, 2 games where he actually did something productive. In all of ST he's only had one other game where he even had 2 hits. That one game a week, does that help explain why I'm not impressed? So far this spring, I've been a heck of a lot more impressed with the players fighting for a bench job, than I have been of either Church or Snelling.

[Nat of the Living Dead]

A) I never tried to never make him a hero, just stated he is a Major League Baseball player gettin paid.  And just figured I'd throw in the part about how his teammates liked him so maybe he isnt such a dirtbag. I figured they would be better judges of that than you or I.

B) The I's and We's was not me

a1.) It really doesn't matter.  Soriano is yesterdays news already on the bottom of the parakeet cage.

b1.) My fault.  Sorry.

[Dave B]

"Can I call him a gamer now?"

That is the Ryan many of us are hoping and pulling for.  He needs to keep it up.  Hell, the whole team needs to keep up this butt whoopin'!

While 3 for 5 may or may not be impressive, nothing he did was gamerish.  A 3run HR in the six inning of game that I think was 9-1 at the time, is not indicitive (indicative?) of a gamer.  Doesnt make him not a gamer.  I'm not saying he shouldnt have hit it. But it is inconclusive.

If you want gamer evidence, see 2005, when he hit a 3 run HR off the Marlins in the 8th i think to break a tie or go ahead.  A saturday game in june

[Nat of the Living Dead]

With all due respect, on a day when even your starting pitcher goes 3 for 4 and scores a pair of runs, you wont convince me Church's numbers are impressive. What's more impressive to me is Jesus Flores going 3 for 5, with a homer, two RBI and four runs scored, raising his spring BA to .500 and Flores never played above A ball prior to this year. Now THAT'S IMPRESSIVE.

I'm sorry, if I'm not impressed by a player who, in three full weeks of spring training games, has had two, count em, 2 games where he actually did something productive. In all of ST he's only had one other game where he even had 2 hits. That one game a week, does that help explain why I'm not impressed? So far this spring, I've been a heck of a lot more impressed with the players fighting for a bench job, than I have been of either Church or Snelling.

Wow, tough crowd!  Would Christ (Mike Stanton) even live up to your expectations?

One minute your complaining about a player's lack of production and then when he has a game where he goes 3 for 5 and 5 RBIs showing life and improvement..."I'm not impressed."  Yeah, the Stros had some bad pitching out there but not even the Immortal Snelling could get anything done with that bad pitching going 0-2 with two strikeouts...against horrible pitching.  

Its one game, it means nothing but don't down the guy and said he must improve then continue to try and pound him down when he shows it.  Give credit when credit is due.

And no one is taking anything away from Flores.  He has been nothing short of spectacular.  Its just this thread isn't called "Schneider Feeling the Pressure from Flores."

[Nat of the Living Dead]

While 3 for 5 may or may not be impressive, nothing he did was gamerish.  A 3run HR in the six inning of game that I think was 9-1 at the time, is not indicitive (indicative?) of a gamer.  Doesnt make him not a gamer.  I'm not saying he shouldnt have hit it. But it is inconclusive.

If you want gamer evidence, see 2005, when he hit a 3 run HR off the Marlins in the 8th i think to break a tie or go ahead.  A saturday game in june

Funny you should mention that game, I remember it well because I was in attendance for my Bachelor Party.  Nats won 6-3 I believe off Church's homerun and after that win the Nats had sole possession of 1st in the NL East for awhile.

[spidernat]

Funny you should mention that game, I remember it well because I was in attendance for my Bachelor Party.  Nats won 6-3 I believe off Church's homerun and after that win the Nats had sole possession of 1st in the NL East for awhile.

I was there also and it remains one of the more memorable victories in the Nats short history here in Washington. Church hit that go ahead jack off of a lefty after AJ Burnett had been unhitable for the better part of 7+ innings. And you're right NOTLD, it did catapult the Nats into first place.

[nats2playoffs]

Funny you should mention that game, I remember it well because I was in attendance for my Bachelor Party...

A NEW angle for the Nationals marketing department:
"HOLD YOUR BACHELOR PARTY AT THE BALL PARK!"
You will assigned your own beer vendor, get a baseball autographed by Ryan Church, fancy dancing by Screech..." 

[Nat of the Living Dead]

A NEW angle for the Nationals marketing department:
"HOLD YOUR BACHELOR PARTY AT THE BALL PARK!"
You will assigned your own beer vendor, get a baseball autographed by Ryan Church, fancy dancing by Screech..." 

It was a dilemma.  It involved ten pin, strippers, and a UHaul or a Nats game and I chose the Nats game.  I haven't regreted my decision since but the tale is one to be told.

[Kenz aFan]

Its one game, it means nothing but........

Exactly....

When Ryan Church (or anyone else) can put on an even half decent showing offensively, more than once a week, then I will gladly give credit where credit is due. Ryan church is a streak hitter, and so far this spring his steaks have been all of one game in a row and come once a week.

And if by some miracle Church has a second good day in a row today, don't hold your breathe waiting for me to give that credit you want he be given. When and if he ever shows consistency, I'll give it then, and you can bet it sure as hell wont be in spring training.

[Nat of the Living Dead]

Exactly....

When Ryan Church (or anyone else) can put on an even half decent showing offensively, more than once a week, then I will gladly give credit where credit is due. Ryan church is a streak hitter, and so far this spring his steaks have been all of one game in a row and come once a week.

And if by some miracle Church has a second good day in a row today, don't hold your breathe waiting for me to give that credit you want he be given. When and if he ever shows consistency, I'll give it then, and you can bet it sure as hell wont be in spring training.

I am so very glad that I have finally, after years of searching, of all the mountains I have climbed, tests passed, and enemies defeated in hand to hand combat...I have finally found the one that is the end all authority on who is consistent and who is not.  Do you sprinkle holy water on those worthy of your consistency or has that practice faded over time?

[spidernat]

I am so very glad that I have finally, after years of searching, of all the mountains I have climbed, tests passed, and enemies defeated in hand to hand combat...I have finally found the one that is the end all authority on who is consistent and who is not.  Do you sprinkle holy water on those worthy of your consistency or has that practice faded over time?

Is the sprinkling of holy water practiced in the Church of Church? And who leads that congregation anyway? 

[Senators2005]

Is the sprinkling of holy water practiced in the Church of Church? And who leads that congregation anyway? 

I think Mike Stanton is in charge of that.   

[nats2playoffs]

I've been smelling a THREAD LOCK approaching this thread for at least a week.  Anyone else smell it coming?  You have to go to Page 4 of the General Discussion folder to find our last Thread Lock.  TURN AWAY from the DARK SIDE of the FORCE, before it becomes too powerful to resist! 

Besides, everybody knows that the true authority on a particular player's consistency (in any sport), is based on whether you have that player's autograph...

[The Chief]

Mike Stanton is the only pitcher ever to pitch in a tie perfect game.  He pitched for both teams and was credited with two wins.

[Senators2005]

You've just been dying to insert that JPEG haven't you Nats2Playoffs?  

[Senators2005]

Mike Stanton is the only pitcher ever to pitch in a tie perfect game.  He pitched for both teams and was credited with two wins.

That isn't why I suggested that he lead the congregation Chief.   

[The Chief]

That isn't why I suggested that he lead the congregation Chief.   

Meh, I just wanted to make a funny.

[Senators2005]

Meh, I just wanted to make a funny.

That's exactly what I was trying to do.      

[Nat of the Living Dead]

Is the sprinkling of holy water practiced in the Church of Church? And who leads that congregation anyway? 

Afraid not.  Its the sprinkling of RBIs after the sermon lead with a bat.

Mike Stanton does not use earthly water but the sacred sweat from his own brow to bless!

[nats2playoffs]

Mike Stanton is the only pitcher ever to pitch in a tie perfect game.  He pitched for both teams and was credited with two wins.

I'd love to hear the details on this.  Was it MLB or Little League?

I just found that Thread Lock jpg.  But I specifically looked for one because of this thread.  The season will start in 10 days and we will see what kind of stats we get from the player(s) replacing Soriano. 

[2k6nats]

Funny you should mention that game, I remember it well because I was in attendance for my Bachelor Party.  Nats won 6-3 I believe off Church's homerun and after that win the Nats had sole possession of 1st in the NL East for awhile.

Also funny you should mention that game, because that was the first game I ever watched as a Nationals fan.  After that game, I was like "Wow, Church is awesome!"