Author Topic: Storen hopes to remain with Nationals (Read 7128 times)

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #50:** July 29, 2011, 10:30:12 AM »

Lee is an ace, Hamels is borderline.

UMDNats · « **Reply #51:** July 29, 2011, 10:30:44 AM »

Quote from: PC on July 28, 2011, 11:04:08 PM

Again, contender doesn't mean you make the playoffs. And Philadelphia's rotation will be a year older and their offense will be no better. And Atlanta doesn't have one ace. They have a couple of number ones but no aces.

...and Philadelphia only has one ace, Halladay. Lee and Hamels are number ones not aces.

Sharp · « **Reply #52:** July 29, 2011, 10:32:16 AM »

Quote from: PatsNats28 on July 29, 2011, 10:30:12 AM

Lee is an ace, Hamels is borderline.

Neither is borderline. They're arguably both top ten pitchers in all of baseball. If that's not an ace, I don't know what is.

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #53:** July 29, 2011, 10:36:24 AM »

The thing about Hamels is that he's done quite a bit better this year than past years, so I want to see if it's repeatable or not before he moves into the ace category.

NatsSince05 · « **Reply #54:** July 29, 2011, 10:57:41 AM »

I'm starting to think that the Nats won't do much other than trading Marquis. Given our pathetic play since Johnson took over, I don't see how the Lerners will be okay with adding instead of subtracting. And Upton is a particularly tough sell given his Werth/Gomes-like batting average.

Sharp · « **Reply #55:** July 29, 2011, 11:03:37 AM »

S37 is back already?

Ali the Baseball Cat · « **Reply #56:** July 29, 2011, 11:06:29 AM »

There can be only one Highlander!!

Quote from: Sharp on July 29, 2011, 10:32:16 AM

Neither is borderline. They're arguably both top ten pitchers in all of baseball. If that's not an ace, I don't know what is.

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #57:** July 29, 2011, 11:21:01 AM »

Quote from: Sharp on July 29, 2011, 11:03:37 AM

S37 is back already?

He thinks skipping mention of Rizzo is enough to disguise himself. Gomes has taken over as the new whipping boy after one game.

PC · « **Reply #58:** July 29, 2011, 11:30:32 AM »

My threshold for "ace" is between top 4 to 6. An ace is a really special number one. Lee and Hamels are outside of that but I do agree they are in the top 10.

If you have too many aces, the whole concept of the ace is cheapened.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #59:** July 29, 2011, 11:32:54 AM »

Quote from: PC on July 29, 2011, 11:30:32 AM

My threshold for "ace" is between top 4 to 6. An ace is a really special number one. Lee and Hamels are outside of they but I do agree they are in the top 10.

If you have too many aces, the whole concept of the ace is cheapened.

Hamels is tied for 5th in war, Lee is 8th

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #60:** July 29, 2011, 11:38:08 AM »

Lee is an Ace.

You see what he's done in the post season. That's invaluable.

UMDNats · « **Reply #61:** July 29, 2011, 11:38:40 AM »

Labels are freaking stupid.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #62:** July 29, 2011, 12:13:55 PM »

Quote from: UMDNats on July 29, 2011, 11:38:40 AM

Labels are freaking stupid.

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tomterp · « **Reply #63:** July 29, 2011, 12:23:05 PM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on July 29, 2011, 11:38:08 AM

Lee is an Ace.

You see what he's done in the post season. That's invaluable.

Invaluable to a playoff team, but of little relevance to a non-contender.

PC · « **Reply #64:** July 29, 2011, 12:33:22 PM »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on July 28, 2011, 10:53:26 PM

Where's the much more productive offense coming from?

Sprinkle the players with magic fairy dust shot from the butts of flying unicorns.

Sharp · « **Reply #65:** July 29, 2011, 02:17:44 PM »

Quote from: tomterp on July 29, 2011, 12:23:05 PM

Invaluable to a playoff team, but of little relevance to a non-contender.

I think Mariners fans were pretty pleased with Lee as well last year.

tomterp · « **Reply #66:** July 29, 2011, 02:59:09 PM »

Quote from: Sharp on July 29, 2011, 02:17:44 PM

I think Mariners fans were pretty pleased with Lee as well last year.

Lee's regular season performance is more than sufficient to warrant interest from anyone. Post-season mystique is a nice-to-have, but hardly a critical factor.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #67:** July 29, 2011, 03:14:57 PM »

Are you saying he's not an Ace?

Baseball is Life · « **Reply #68:** July 29, 2011, 03:15:03 PM »

Quote from: tomterp on July 29, 2011, 02:59:09 PM

Lee's regular season performance is more than sufficient to warrant interest from anyone. Post-season mystique is a nice-to-have, but hardly a critical factor.

Carlos Beltran has been living off of his 2004 postseason run for about 7 years now.:~)

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #69:** July 29, 2011, 03:18:11 PM »

Quote from: Baseball is Life on July 29, 2011, 03:15:03 PM

Carlos Beltran has been living off of his 2004 postseason run for about 7 years now.:~)

Since 2008, Roy Halladay leads all MLB pitchers with 26.7 WAR

Cliff Lee is second with 24.8

He's an ace.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #70:** July 29, 2011, 03:47:25 PM »

and since the start of the 2011, Storen is 57th in WAR among relievers.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #71:** July 29, 2011, 03:56:23 PM »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on July 29, 2011, 03:47:25 PM

and since the start of the 2011, Storen is 57th in WAR among relievers.

Way to tie it all back in!

PC · « **Reply #72:** July 29, 2011, 03:58:53 PM »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on July 29, 2011, 03:47:25 PM

and since the start of the 2011, Storen is 57th in WAR among relievers.

In other words, THIS SEASON??? This proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that the WAR sabermetric is bullcrap, complete and utter bullcrap.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #73:** July 29, 2011, 03:59:18 PM »

Quote from: PC on July 29, 2011, 03:58:53 PM

In other words, THIS SEASON??? This proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that the WAR sabermetric is bullcrap, complete and utter bullcrap.

Because it disagrees with what you think to be true?

RD · « **Reply #74:** July 29, 2011, 03:59:55 PM »

I'm right there with you on that one.

That is absolutely ridiculous.