2012 free agency

[imref]

it looks like sabathia is coming off the market, the NY Post reports the Yankees are ready to offer him 5-6 years at more than $23 million a year.

[Slateman]

Of course they are. Only question for CC was how much does he want to stay in NY

[HalfSmokes]

Well they wouldn't give him up for Clippard, they were dead set on Storen/Lombo during the season. I mean looking at their starting pitching, Lannan would be really good for them but they think rather highly of Span. I'd be willing to give up Lannan and another prospect for him, but no way Clip or Storen.

a starter with a career of 4 (with more sub 4 than over) who is young and has years of team control left should yield you more than a reliever. I wouldn't trade lannan for span straight up- I would expect something else in return

[Lintyfresh85]

a starter with a career of 4 (with more sub 4 than over) who is young and has years of team control left should yield you more than a reliever. I wouldn't trade lannan for span straight up- I would expect something else in return

And so should the Twins.

If this was say, the Padres and Tigers making a trade... and the Tigers were giving away the CF'er, they'd be asking for more in return than a Lannan type player.

I feel we severely overvalue our own players on WNFF and do not look at situations rationally from opposing teams viewpoints.

[Squab]

I would hope that's the case but I wouldn't count on Minnesota feeling that way. The fact that they didn't deal him at the deadline makes it seems to me like they value him higher than we do.

[HalfSmokes]

And so should the Twins.

If this was say, the Padres and Tigers making a trade... and the Tigers were giving away the CF'er, they'd be asking for more in return than a Lannan type player.

I feel we severely overvalue our own players on WNFF and do not look at situations rationally from opposing teams viewpoints.

Who knows when/if span will be right again, on the other hand look at the demand for starters with eras similar to lannan's.

Some of us may overvalue our own, but others seem to get it in their heads that certain players are garbage

[hammondsnats]

if we had a deal for a healthy span for lannan, we'd be coming out on top no question about it.  it's a moot point, not happening.

[Squab]

I guess if you look at it from The Twins point of view. They probably don't want to take less for him just because he's been injured, that's not really a good stance to take when you're trading away your talent. They can afford to hold onto him, and if becomes back healthy play solid LF for them.

[tomterp]

The typical Rizzo off-season results in a losing season a 10-game improvement over the prior season.

Fixed.

I know the losing gets old, but you seem to be setting an unrealistically high standard for Rizzo, or any GM for that matter, to attain.  He inherited a disaster, it doesn't get fixed overnight.  He's shown steady, if unspectacular progress.   If this isn't good enough for you, fine, but what would have been?   

[Obed_Marsh]

The rate of jmprovement lags the Phillies and Braves which by competitiveness is no improvement at all. While we remain middle of the road in spending efficiency.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2011-09-06/rating-the-nl-improvement-rate

It would be interesting to review marginal dollars per marginal win over the tenure in Washington after 2011 becomes available. 7 seasons of losing baseball. While Rizzo's tenure shows some incremental progess but is not the leaps and bounds improvement Rizzo toadies make it out to be.

http://mcubed.net/mlb/bwimp.shtml

I'll grant you the data could use more primary sources and be more current but the supporting information is there.

[DPMOmaha]

MLBTR Free Agent Tracker is up and running...

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012-mlb-free-agents

[Vega]

Something that must be considered with Minnesota is that they have Ben Revere as well. I suppose they could play both Span and Revere, but that would be a pretty weak offensive outfield, although the defense would be outstanding. Still, they can afford to deal Span.

[tomterp]

The rate of jmprovement lags the Phillies and Braves which by competitiveness is no improvement at all. While we remain middle of the road in spending efficiency.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2011-09-06/rating-the-nl-improvement-rate

Here's the rate of improvement in terms of wins from 2010 to 2011:

Nats   +11
Phillies +5
Braves  -2.


From 2009 to 2011, which coincides with Rizzo's two full offseasons:

Nats +21
Phillies +9
Braves  +3

 

[spidernat]

That's what results from losing 100 games.

[spidernat]

it looks like sabathia is coming off the market, the NY Post reports the Yankees are ready to offer him 5-6 years at more than $23 million a year.

Wait til he he's just about to re-sing, offer him a little less and then claim you tried.

[Lintyfresh85]

Here's the rate of improvement in terms of wins from 2010 to 2011:

Nats   +11
Phillies +5
Braves  -2.


From 2009 to 2011, which coincides with Rizzo's two full offseasons:

Nats +21
Phillies +9
Braves  +3

 

How exactly are the Phillies and the Braves supposed to compete in the "wins over previous season" category when they're winning teams.

A big loser like the Nats of course will see a higher jump in wins over prior season if they have a decent season compared to the Phillies going from a 95 to a 100 win team.

I know you know that... so I'm surprised you even pointed that out.

[spidernat]

How exactly are the Phillies and the Braves supposed to compete in the "wins over previous season" category when they're winning teams.

A big loser like the Nats of course will see a higher jump in wins over prior season if they have a decent season compared to the Phillies going from a 95 to a 100 win team.

I know you know that... so I'm surprised you even pointed that out.

That's what results from losing 100 games.

Linty, your version was much more eloquent.

[The Chief]

More or less irrelevant discussion has been given its own thread and moved to Uncensored:

http://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=25091.0