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Offline KnorrForYourMoney

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #850 on: October 22, 2011, 03:47:03 pm »
I'd almost rather give Loney a try if the alternatives are Magic Glove and singles only Marrero.

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #851 on: October 22, 2011, 08:50:21 pm »
From ESPN: 
Notable non-tender candidates (2011 salary)

    Carlos Gomez, CF -- Milwaukee Brewers ($1.5 million)

I remember when he was one of the best prospects in baseball. Never had an OBP over .300  ...

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #852 on: October 23, 2011, 12:09:17 pm »
that's the name that popped out to me, as well.  but, looking at his career numbers, it doesn't fix our center field issue unless we want his defense and move him to the 9 slot. 

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #853 on: October 23, 2011, 12:24:17 pm »
Or we can magically turn him around. But, then I remember we have Rick Eckstein as our hitting coach ...

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #854 on: October 23, 2011, 12:26:17 pm »
From Cafardo's baseball notes

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He will be the next big signing out of Japan, and it appears that the Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, Rangers, Nationals, and Mariners will be among the bidders. Two sources familiar with Japanese baseball think the posting fee for Darvish will be nowhere near the $51 million the Sox put up for Daisuke Matsuzaka. “I think we may never see something that high again,’’ said one source. “But one could expect a posting fee in the high $20 millions.’’ Another source said, “He’s going to be a legitimate No. 3 starter because he has the rare combination of being a hard thrower with command. The command is the big thing with Japanese pitchers, and I think that’s what separates him from someone like Daisuke Matsuzaka.’’

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #855 on: October 23, 2011, 12:32:57 pm »
27 million posting fee. 50 million/ 5 year deal.

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #856 on: October 23, 2011, 10:08:26 pm »
Hope tonight soured people on Jackson. Just not a fan.

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #857 on: October 23, 2011, 10:49:47 pm »
John Shea thinks we'll get Fielder and we have an outside shot at Reyes.

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #858 on: October 23, 2011, 10:53:34 pm »
Hope tonight soured people on Jackson. Just not a fan.

He's just ... Average. Basically, he's the right-handed brother version of Lannan

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« Reply #859 on: October 23, 2011, 11:22:30 pm »
He's just ... Average. Basically, he's the right-handed brother version of Lannan

But with way more walks. 7 BBs tonight. I just couldn't find anything about him that was identifiably good except that he never surrendered too much.

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« Reply #860 on: October 23, 2011, 11:37:13 pm »
He walked 8 in his no-hitter.  Whoever signs him just has to accept that he's going to walk a lot of batters.

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« Reply #861 on: October 23, 2011, 11:57:07 pm »
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Edwin Jackson won't be much coveted as a free agent

C.J. Wilson is nearly three years older, throws about 4 mph slower and is almost but not quite as durable.

In this postseason, neither has sparkled. Wilson is 0-3 with a 7.17 ERA in four starts; Jackson 1-0 with a 5.84 heading into his fourth start on Sunday night.

Overall, Jackson is 60-60 with a 4.46 ERA in his career; Wilson 43-35 with a 3.60.

Based on age, Jackson would rate an edge on the free-agent market. Based on their career ERAs, Wilson would seem to be favored.

Well, the edge goes to Wilson "and it's not even close," a scout says.

The differences: Command and consistency. Jackson is lacking in both.

While Wilson ranks among AL walks leaders in his two seasons as a starter, he's a control artist compared to Jackson. From start to start, Jackson's ability to put the ball where he wants varies as much as the time he takes between pitches (Sometimes he's slow, other times he's very slow).

He's good enough to throw a no-hitter but he needed 149 pitches to do so, thanks in large part to eight walks. Since he debuted on his 20th birthday, Jackson has pitched for the Dodgers, Rays, Tigers, Diamondbacks, White Sox and Cardinals.

"There's a reason he's been with so many teams," the scout says. "He's good enough for teams to want but not good enough for teams to keep. They get frustrated with him."

Control is not the only issue. So is Jackson's stuff. While he throws hard, he throws mostly four-seam fastballs that lack the movement of a two-seamer like Wilson's.

Jackson likely will be making his last start for the Cardinals at Rangers Ballpark in Game 4. With five starters under contract for 2012, the club has no room for Jackson. He hopes to last longer than the two innings he went in Game 6 of the N.L.C.S. last Sunday.

"I was kind of tentative," he said at a news conference on Saturday. "Definitely I'll come out being aggressive from the first pitch. If it doesn't go the way I planned it, I'll definitely be giving 110 percent effort. Hopefully it goes well."

His free-agent case could use a boost.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2011-10-23/edwin-jackson-wont-be-much-coveted-as-a-free-agent

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #862 on: October 24, 2011, 12:13:18 am »
"Sometimes he's slow, other times he's very slow" :rofl:

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #863 on: October 24, 2011, 02:09:22 pm »
Dave Cameron discussing how next year's impending free agents will likely depress the price of free agents this year, other than the top 5 (Pujols, Fielder, Wilson, Reyes, and CC):

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Matt Kemp, +8.7 WAR, 27 years old
Mike Napoli, +5.9 WAR, 30 years old
Howie Kendrick, +5.8 WAR, 28 years old
Cole Hamels, +4.9 WAR, 28 years old
Brandon McCarthy, +4.7 WAR, 28 years old
Miguel Montero, +4.3 WAR, 28 years old
Melky Cabrera, +4.2 WAR, 27 years old
Michael Bourn, +4.2 WAR, 29 years old
B.J. Upton, +4.1 WAR, 27 years old
Erick Aybar, +4.0 WAR, 28 years old
Anibal Sanchez, +3.8 WAR, 28 years old
John Danks, +3.2 WAR, 27 years old

That list doesn’t even include Shaun Marcum, Carlos Quentin, Delmon Young, Jeremy Guthrie, Francisco Liriano, or Jonathan Sanchez, all of whom are also 5+ year arbitration eligibles, but are probably going to end up just going year to year due to some questions about their performances in 2011.

It also doesn’t include a few other arbitration-eligible guys who could be in line for some serious money this winter; Jacoby Ellsbury (a 4+ service time guy who could hit the jackpot coming off his monster 2011 season), Tim Lincecum (a 4+ service time guy who is likely to break all arbitration records) and Clayton Kershaw (a 3+ service time guy who also could parlay his fantastic year into a big contract if he wants). When you add in potential extension talks for guys whose current contracts expire in time to make them free agents next winter – Zack Greinke, Josh Hamilton, Yadier Molina, and Shane Victorino are all in that boat – you quickly find a very crowded pool of players who would normally be in line for a long term contract.

When teams start looking at the free agents beyond the big five, they’re going to start seeing pretty compelling reasons not to give out deals that stretch too far into the future. Unfortunately for those free agents, these teams have other options this winter. Unlike last year, where it was essentially free agency or do nothing, teams this year will be able to turn to the trade market and find a near-endless supply of quality players who may be pricing themselves out of their current teams plans, and would be available as either one-year rentals or players who teams could acquire and then extend in lieu of signing a mid-tier free agent.

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The sweet spot for the Nats might be the secondary market of guys getting too expensive for teams to keep around for just one more year.

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #864 on: October 24, 2011, 02:20:21 pm »
that kind of argues for a 1-year deal for a guy like Crisp or DeJesus this year, then go full throttle after Bourn next year.

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #865 on: October 24, 2011, 04:07:38 pm »
Kemp would look pretty good in DC. 

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« Reply #866 on: October 24, 2011, 04:15:25 pm »
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The Rangers almost surely would be out of the C.J. Wilson bidding if it reaches five years and $75MM, hears Heyman.  A Rangers person tells Heyman Wilson hasn't actually named an exact asking price.  The lefty is looking forward to free agency and noted to Heyman that he doesn't have a wife, a child, or a dog, implying the decision will be entirely his.  The Nationals, Marlins, and Royals are likely to pursue Wilson, writes Joel Sherman of the New York Post.
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5/75M+ for CJ Wilson? I guess nobody knows for sure, but what do you think he'll be like in four/five years? No thanks.

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #867 on: October 24, 2011, 04:21:23 pm »
Morosi tweeted that the Phillies have declined the options on Lidge & Oswalt. 

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« Reply #868 on: October 24, 2011, 04:37:09 pm »
Morosi tweeted that the Phillies have declined the options on Lidge & Oswalt.
I'd love Oswalt for a year, maybe 2. Hopefully he'll decide to go year-to-year like Kuroda and we could snag him. Probably a lot of teams thinking the same thing though.

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #869 on: October 24, 2011, 04:42:04 pm »
Oswalt would be good. The Nats were mentioned as a possible trade destination for him last year.

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« Reply #870 on: October 24, 2011, 04:58:22 pm »
I'd take Oswalt for two over Wilson for five or six any day

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« Reply #871 on: October 24, 2011, 05:20:41 pm »
I'd take Oswalt for two over Wilson for five or six any day

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #872 on: October 24, 2011, 05:24:35 pm »
Kemp would look pretty good in DC. 

This would be a better alternative to signing fielder, pujols, or reyes.  Kemp has a great all-around skill set that should last for years.  Theree are also more pitchers available that offseason so i suggest waiting until next year to go all in on kemp and try to get greinke, cain, haren, or hamels also.  Who knows, Kemp might be available at the deadline if the Dodgers do poorly and we might be within spitting distance of 1st place so why not go for him?

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #873 on: October 24, 2011, 05:41:59 pm »
Oswalt would be a fantastic fit on this team.

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Re: 2012 free agency
« Reply #874 on: October 24, 2011, 06:18:35 pm »
Totally agree with Oswalt being a great fit here.  Him or Buerhle would be great veteran mentor types for Stras and Zim and the other young guys.