Hinch, Byrnes fired

[Lintyfresh85]

Rizzo isn't allowed to leave, right?

You can't hire away someone for a lateral position....

Someone tell me that's correct.

Please.

[PatsNats28]

Unsurprised at Hinch, but Byrnes? I remember him as being pretty good with the Red Sox.

[Evolution33]

Rizzo isn't allowed to leave, right?

You can't hire away someone for a lateral position....

Someone tell me that's correct.

Please.

I don't think Rizzo wants to go back to a team that destroyed all his hardwork.

[comish4lif]

I'm pretty certain that during the season, the D'backs would need permission from the Nats to interview Rizzo. And that's not going to happen.

After the Nats season ends, the D'backs could ask but for a lateral move, I'm pretty sure that the Nats can just say no. Like Don Mattingly did to us last year, Rizzo could also just say no.

[Kevrock]

So is there a rule that GMs can't make lateral moves when under contract? Or is this just commonly written into the contracts given to GMs?

Does Rizzo even have a contract like managers and players do or is it open ended?

[blue911]

So is there a rule that GMs can't make lateral moves when under contract? Or is this just commonly written into the contracts given to GMs?

Does Rizzo even have a contract like managers and players do or is it open ended?

Baseball contracts are iron clad. If Rizzo is under contract, no other team can contact him without the Nationals permission. PERIOD. There aren't any exceptions.

[PowerBoater69]

Baseball contracts are iron clad. If Rizzo is under contract, no other team can contact him without the Nationals permission. PERIOD. There aren't any exceptions.

With players and managers the Nats ownership group has shown a strong preference for one and two year contracts.  Based on what seems to be the standard deal for our managers I'd guess that the team has an option to extend his contract for 2011.

Do we really care that much about Rizzo?  It's not like his moves are panning out with the exception of Capps.  Pudge has played great but I'd hardly say that we're in good shape at catcher.

[Minty Fresh]

Baseball contracts are iron clad. If Rizzo is under contract, no other team can contact him without the Nationals permission. PERIOD. There aren't any exceptions.

Are you sure that's true for management and not just players?

[Lintyfresh85]

Baseball contracts are iron clad. If Rizzo is under contract, no other team can contact him without the Nationals permission. PERIOD. There aren't any exceptions.

Not true. The Braves brought Bobby Cox in as GM while he was the manager of the Blue Jays.

You can sign away coaches/management as long as they are given a higher title than what they currently hold.

[Dave B]

Baseball contracts are iron clad. If Rizzo is under contract, no other team can contact him without the Nationals permission. PERIOD. There aren't any exceptions.

Can Rizzo contact them?

[The Chief]

Not true. The Braves brought Bobby Cox in as GM while he was the manager of the Blue Jays.

You can sign away coaches/management as long as they are given a higher title than what they currently hold.

According to wikipedia, Cox returned to the GM role in Atlanta after the Jays were eliminated in the '85 ALCS.  His contract with the Jays that year was only FOR that one year, so nothing blue said is shown to be incorrect by your example as far as I can tell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Cox#Managerial_career

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/atlanta-braves_15.html

[Lintyfresh85]

According to wikipedia, Cox returned to the GM role in Atlanta after the Jays were eliminated in the '85 ALCS.  His contract with the Jays that year was only FOR that one year, so nothing blue said is incorrect as far as I can tell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Cox#Managerial_career

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/atlanta-braves_15.html

ESPN/MLB Network lied to me then. I was watching a show and they said the reason Bobby couldn't come to manage the Braves was because he had a contract still with the Blue Jays. Thus, he had to wait a year or two and only run as the GM.

[The Chief]

ESPN/MLB Network lied to me then. I was watching a show and they said the reason Bobby couldn't come to manage the Braves was because he had a contract still with the Blue Jays. Thus, he had to wait a year or two and only run as the GM.

I don't know which of you is right, I'm just adding data.  But I doubt Rizzo is going anywhere, regardless.

[Lintyfresh85]

I don't know which of you is right, I'm just adding data.  But I doubt Rizzo is going anywhere, regardless.

Which is all I was worried about anyways. So I guess all the talk is a mood point, anyways.

[imref]

So the D-backs have had as their manager a radio announcer and a front-office guy who had no experience.  Maybe it's time to hire a beer vendor?

[CALSGR8]

Didn't Melvin manage the Dbacks?   Or was he w/Colorado?   At least he was a former player.

[imref]

Melvin did manage them, and of course there was Wally Backman.

[blue911]

ESPN/MLB Network lied to me then. I was watching a show and they said the reason Bobby couldn't come to manage the Braves was because he had a contract still with the Blue Jays. Thus, he had to wait a year or two and only run as the GM.

The Blue Jays could have let him out of his contract with that stipulation. I do know that baseball contracts are just like any other legal contract, they can't be unilaterally broken.

[PANatsFan]

If they even CONTACT him, that's tampering, right?


Powerboater is being a moron. Rizzo's draft has been rated one of the very top, and not just because of Harper. Anyone want last year's bullpen? Livan Hernandez, that guy sucks. Walker, he's been awful, right? Lannan was drafted by which GM, the one that named him ace every year? And its a shame he didn't use his time warp ability and MRI vision to see the problems with Marquis and Olsen. Oh yeah, and the decision to non-tender Olsen and re-sign him with incentives, dumb, right?




Rizzo has been allowed to re-mold the whole organization, I'd be stunned if he wasn't kept on.

[Evolution33]

Byrnes is a D.C. native and while likely to be very atractive to teams looking to make a GM change and in no need to rebuild an image I wonder if there is a chance he would be willing to be an assistant here. I think that should be the question, not if Rizzo is leaving for the Diamondbacks job, but if we can get Byrnes.

[blue911]

Byrnes is a D.C. native and while likely to be very atractive to teams looking to make a GM change and in no need to rebuild an image I wonder if there is a chance he would be willing to be an assistant here. I think that should be the question, not if Rizzo is leaving for the Diamondbacks job, but if we can get Byrnes.

If I were the Cubs, I would've fired Hendry the moment the story broke.

[HalfSmokes]

I actually like the Orginization

If they even CONTACT him, that's tampering, right?


Powerboater is being a moron. Rizzo's draft has been rated one of the very top, and not just because of Harper. Anyone want last year's bullpen? Livan Hernandez, that guy sucks. Walker, he's been awful, right? Lannan was drafted by which GM, the one that named him ace every year? And its a shame he didn't use his time warp ability and MRI vision to see the problems with Marquis and Olsen. Oh yeah, and the decision to non-tender Olsen and re-sign him with incentives, dumb, right?




Rizzo has been allowed to re-mold the whole organization, I'd be stunned if he wasn't kept on.

I'd hope he'd be kept on, but if we manage to finish last in the Majors again, I would think his leash would be pretty short. The Arizona owners basically said two years finishing last in the division was enough to get rid of GM and manager. Right now, you can still blame most of the team on Bowden, but that only works so long.

[NatsDad14]

I actually like the Orginization
I'd hope he'd be kept on, but if we manage to finish last in the Majors again, I would think his leash would be pretty short. The Arizona owners basically said two years finishing last in the division was enough to get rid of GM and manager. Right now, you can still blame most of the team on Bowden, but that only works so long.

The current problems for the team is hardly Bowden's fault. It's not his fault that he was hamstrung by cheap owners. He was definitely a bad GM, but he didn't get much help from his owners.At some point, people need to stop blaming Bowden and MLB and blame the real culprits for the team's losing ways.

[HalfSmokes]

The current problems for the team is hardly Bowden's fault. It's not his fault that he was hamstrung by cheap owners. He was definitely a bad GM, but he didn't get much help from his owners.At some point, people need to stop blaming Bowden and MLB and blame the real culprits for the team's losing ways.

I'm fine blaming him when most of his early draft picks aren't starting for this team. He had consistently terrible drafts, and the team is paying the price

[Evolution33]

The current problems for the team is hardly Bowden's fault. It's not his fault that he was hamstrung by cheap owners. He was definitely a bad GM, but he didn't get much help from his owners.At some point, people need to stop blaming Bowden and MLB and blame the real culprits for the team's losing ways.

Kearns, Dmitri, Belliard, and Guzman would like to see you about that. Hell, Nick Johnson for $5 million was a waste and didn't he sign Wily mo to an extension.