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John Lannan
« on: May 13, 2010, 09:34:03 pm »
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Offline Grandstander

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2010, 10:30:23 pm »
What if it gets called?

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2010, 10:31:10 pm »
What if it gets called?

Then we won't know if the 100 pitch count screwed the team over or if it was a great call.

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2010, 10:53:20 pm »
Sorry John, you ain't right. Rest up.

Offline hammondsnats

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2010, 02:20:02 am »
oh shut up...he was solid for four innings and got messed up in the 5th.  if you say he pitched poorly for the first four innings, you simply don't know baseball.  no excuse that he struggled in the 5th, but i think he'll be fine.

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2010, 02:24:03 am »
He's not well. His fastball was really slow. He got some lucky outs. Again, I didn't say he kicked puppies. But this was a lucky win.

Offline Kevrock

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2010, 06:31:41 am »
What was the fastball speed last night?

Offline ronnynat

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2010, 07:23:47 am »
What was the fastball speed last night?

Most of them were around 86.

Offline JMW IV

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2010, 07:58:24 am »
Most of them were around 86.

isnt he normally in the low 90s?

if so, he's hurt. DL. now.

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2010, 10:14:55 am »
if you say he pitched poorly for the first four innings, you simply don't know baseball. 

Good thing you're here to help us out.

Offline Lintyfresh85

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2010, 10:39:06 am »
oh shut up...he was solid for four innings and got messed up in the 5th.  if you say he pitched poorly for the first four innings, you simply don't know baseball.  no excuse that he struggled in the 5th, but i think he'll be fine.

Did you see the game? He was constantly in and out of trouble in the first four innings. He had very little command and gave up a lot of line drives that were hit right at people.

Hardly what one would classify as a 'good' start. I'd say at best mediocre.

Offline hammondsnats

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2010, 11:25:48 am »
Did you see the game? He was constantly in and out of trouble in the first four innings. He had very little command and gave up a lot of line drives that were hit right at people.

Hardly what one would classify as a 'good' start. I'd say at best mediocre.

In my opinion he was fine.  Obviously Ray Knight agreed with me and so have others.

He gave up two hits and two walks in four innings, in what were terrible conditions.  Batista usually can hit 92-94 from what I remember he was throwing 89 most of the night.

Lannan was terrible in the fifth and that's when the liners started coming and what not.  I think it was a good first step back.

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2010, 11:26:09 am »
Good thing you're here to help us out.

you're welcome 8)

haha I shouldn't have posted that though ... i had a few too many beverages.  Shouldn't drink and post on WNFF!  I was posting under the influence.

Offline Lintyfresh85

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2010, 11:37:02 am »
In my opinion he was fine.  Obviously Ray Knight agreed with me and so have others.

He gave up two hits and two walks in four innings, in what were terrible conditions.  Batista usually can hit 92-94 from what I remember he was throwing 89 most of the night.

Lannan was terrible in the fifth and that's when the liners started coming and what not.  I think it was a good first step back.

7 line drives is not a good sign. Yes, most came in the fifth... but when you add in the fact that his BB/9 5.30 is a full 2 walks higher than his career average coming into the year (3.30) and that his K/9 are down 1.50 off his career average (4.6) 2010 - 3.1, you have to realize either the guy has been figured out... or he's probably hurt pretty bad.

When a guy like Lannan, who is used to living on the edge stops being a control pitcher... well, he's in for a lot more nights like last night.

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2010, 11:38:57 am »
per NJ:
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John Lannan's worrisome inning

For four innings last night, John Lannan felt great. He allowed the Colorado Rockies two hits and two walks, shutting them out in his return to the mound after missing a start. He returned bite to his sinker, "everything was working fine," he said.

In the top of the fifth, the Nationals sent seven batters to the plate and scored four runs. Lannan made no excuses afterward, but that inning only added to a night of brutal conditions for pitching. Lannan had not pitched in 10 days. It was cold and pouring rain. And now, as he waited between innings, he felt his elbow stiffen.

Lannan retreated to the clubhouse, trying to stretch and heat his elbow and loosen up his flexor tendon. "But it wouldn't loosen up for me," Lannan said. "When it happens, it's kind of hard to get to finish on my pitches."

And so Lannan's night turned sour. He would not escape the fifth inning, recording two outs while yielding four runs on four hits and two walks. With his tendon tight, Lannan's lost his control and, really, ruined his night.

"The first four [innings] felt good, warming up felt good," Lannan said. "And then it tightened up. When it happens, it's kind of tough to really control, to really get out there and extend. The ball was up, and I wasn't able to make big pitches when I needed to. No excuses. It feels fine now. In that inning, it kind of tightened up a little on me."

The Nationals can only wait to ensure Lannan will assume his typical spot at the top of the rotation. Although Lannan said he felt fine afterward and "this definitely isn't a setback for me," Manager Jim Riggleman needed more reassurance.

"I'll be more confident if he tells me tomorrow that he's fine," Riggleman said. "I'm not going to assume anything until I talk to him tomorrow. That'll be the test. He didn't feel the same in the fifth as he did in the first four."

The effects of the elbow tightness evidently surfaced. He walked Ryan Spilborghs on five pitches to lead off the inning. He threw a sinker to Troy Tulowitzki that he usually gets more inside, and Tulowitzki ripped a single to center. He threw a changeup to Miguel Olivo, a pitch he usually throws down, and Olivo smoked a line-drive single to left, knocking Lannan out of the game.

Tomorrow will give a clearer picture of Lannan's immediate future. The reoccurrence of the same problem Lannan had healed is worrisome, but it resurfaced only under the worst conditions. Lannan seemed frustrated, but before he left the clubhouse last night he expressed confidence.

"It feels fine," Lannan said. "Just that one inning, it kind of bit me in the butt."

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2010, 11:40:48 am »
DL

Offline KnorrForYourMoney

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2010, 11:41:29 am »
sucked last night

do or DL in your next start, Lannan

Jesus may be coming to DC on the 23rd :pray:

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2010, 11:51:25 am »
sounds very familiar.

Pitcher misses a start with soreness, comes back, struggles with command, has a bad inning, then says "nope, not hurt, i feel fine".

bullcrap. either he is hurt, or he is just not good anymore. i'm betting it is the former.

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2010, 11:53:19 am »
I hope it's the former.  We need him.

Offline Kevrock

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2010, 11:55:41 am »
Aren't you forgetting a few emoticons, excessive negativity, and something about a project replacing him?

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2010, 11:56:11 am »
Aren't you forgetting a few emoticons, excessive negativity, and something about a project replacing him?

:popcorn:

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2010, 12:17:06 pm »
Why do they ask the PLAYER if he feels fine? Ask the doctor if he is fine. He's gonna blow his elbow out.


All my bombastic ranting aside, you DL the guy if you care about him.

Offline Lintyfresh85

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2010, 12:20:21 pm »
The part I hate the most is the fact that he knew he couldn't get his arm stretched out in the fifth inning... yet he goes out there anyways and gets knocked around and could have potentially cost the team the game with his selfishness.

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2010, 12:26:22 pm »
The part I hate the most is the fact that he knew he couldn't get his arm stretched out in the fifth inning... yet he goes out there anyways and gets knocked around and could have potentially cost the team the game with his selfishness.

I'm not so sure that wasn't a mutual decision. Riggleman was desperate for innings from his starters.

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Re: John Lannan
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2010, 12:35:10 pm »
The part I hate the most is the fact that he knew he couldn't get his arm stretched out in the fifth inning... yet he goes out there anyways and gets knocked around and could have potentially cost the team the game with his selfishness.

I can see what you're saying, but at the same time what do you expect?  He's a professional athlete and we know Lannan is a competitor.  He felt fine for four innings and I'm sure he thought he can make it right out there.  Also, he missed a start, so I'm sure he was chomping at the bit to get back on the bump.

Obviously he wasn't the same in the fifth.  Again I can see your point, but I can see why he wanted to go back out there.