Tom & Chico vs JCA & Batista

[The Chief]

Nothing but love for ya, guys

[tomterp]

For his 5+ innings, one run, with runners on 2d and third performance?  He would have been worse than mediocre were it not for Batista.  I can't buy it.  

That's a harsh assessment of Chico's performance.  I bet most Nats fans, if offered those stats vs. a random roll of the dice based on Chico's abilities, would have been thrilled to take that performance today.  He's had a long row to hoe, and that's a very solid return outing.  After all, this guy ain't Liriano.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

That's a harsh assessment of Chico's performance.  I bet most Nats fans, if offered those stats vs. a random roll of the dice based on Chico's abilities, would have been thrilled to take that performance today.  He's had a long row to hoe, and that's a very solid return outing.  After all, this guy ain't Liriano.

  If any of the contact against Batista is strong, Chico's line would have been 5 IP, 6H, 3 ER, 3K.  Not horrible, but not good, thus mediocre.  I'm glad he put us in a position so others could win the game.  That's all we wanted, he did it, but Willingham's hitting, Batista's damage control, and Capps's picking up the Dunn Drop were bigger in terms of changing the outcome in our favor.

[hammondsnats]

For his 5+ innings, one run, with runners on 2d and third performance?  He would have been worse than mediocre were it not for Batista.  I can't buy it.  Willingham was Player of the Game, but if you wanted to give an unsung guy a break, then Batista is more deserving, I/M/O.

wow dude ... chico was pretty decent.  he's better than j.d. martin, imo.

[NatsDad14]

wow dude ... chico was pretty decent.  he's better than j.d. martin, imo.

He's not better than J.D. Martin. Martin had a 3.71 ERA last year in his last 11 starts. He is a decent pitcher.

[tomterp]

  If any of the contact against Batista is strong, Chico's line would have been 5 IP, 6H, 3 ER, 3K.  Not horrible, but not good, thus mediocre. 

It's no more valid to assume all runners left behind should have scored, than it is to assume they never should.  Tell you what, I've meet you halfway, concede one extra run against his record, and I say that's still a solid outing, slightly BETTER than mediocre.   

[KnorrForYourMoney]

He's not better than J.D. Martin. Martin had a 3.71 ERA last year in his last 11 starts. He is a decent pitcher.

hammonds has some fixation on bringing down Martin whilst praising Chico

[JCA-CrystalCity]

It's no more valid to assume all runners left behind should have scored, than it is to assume they never should.  Tell you what, I've meet you halfway, concede one extra run against his record, and I say that's still a solid outing, slightly BETTER than mediocre.   

I decline to meet you half way.  There was better than a 60% chance of 2 or more additional runs when you leave runs at 2d and 3d and no outs. Here is tom tango's run expectancy table:

2nd_3rd    0[outs]    0.144[0 runs]   0.249[1 run]    0.307[2 runs]    0.147[3 runs]    0.079[4 runs]    0.074[5 or more]

As my original post said, if Batista does not come in a bail him out with a good performance, he's charged with 3 runs in 5 innings. that is a 5.40 ERA.  That would have been worse than mediocre.  As it was, with one run coming in, Chico looks average.  Not star of the game. Even if the Silver Wig were for "spunk" and "guts," it'd be Batista or Capps who should have gotten it.  Do you want to look at Win Probability Added?  I can give you that, too, but you will not like it. 

I'm having fun with this.

[hammondsnats]

He's not better than J.D. Martin. Martin had a 3.71 ERA last year in his last 11 starts. He is a decent pitcher.

matin also gave up 4 ERs in 4.2 IP yesterday in AAA.  i like him, but i think chico is a better pitcher.  it's my opinion.

[UMDNats]

matin also gave up 4 ERs in 4.2 IP yesterday in AAA.  i like him, but i think chico is a better pitcher.  it's my opinion a fact in my mind.

[Galah]

I decline to meet you half way.  There was better than a 60% chance of 2 or more additional runs when you leave runs at 2d and 3d and no outs. Here is tom tango's run expectancy table:

As my original post said, if Batista does not come in a bail him out with a good performance, he's charged with 3 runs in 5 innings. that is a 5.40 ERA.  That would have been worse than mediocre.  As it was, with one run coming in, Chico looks average.  Not star of the game. Even if the Silver Wig were for "spunk" and "guts," it'd be Batista or Capps who should have gotten it.  Do you want to look at Win Probability Added?  I can give you that, too, but you will not like it.  

I'm having fun with this.

This is a Wig thread NOT a who's the bet reliever thread....

[DPMOmaha]

This is a Wig thread NOT a who's the bet reliever thread....

I wasn't able to find any evidence the award had been given to anyone yesterday.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

This is a Wig thread NOT a who's the bet reliever thread....

Look, my last word on Saturday, but what Batista did was terrific. That might have been the best relief performance by any of our relievers not name Clippard or Capps. Willingham deserves the Silver Wig, but what Batista did was to make Chico look better than he was. But for Willingham, Batista or Capps would have deserved POG.

[Galah]

Look, my last word on Saturday, but what Batista did was terrific. That might have been the best relief performance by any of our relievers not name Clippard or Capps. Willingham deserves the Silver Wig, but what Batista did was to make Chico look better than he was. But for Willingham, Batista or Capps would have deserved POG.

I understand what you're saying and don't question that but the players choose who gets the silver wig, not us, we make our nominations using Dibbles and Beachballs

[tomterp]

Look, my last word on Saturday, but what Batista did was terrific. That might have been the best relief performance by any of our relievers not name Clippard or Capps. Willingham deserves the Silver Wig, but what Batista did was to make Chico look better than he was. But for Willingham, Batista or Capps would have deserved POG.

He inherited 2 runners (no outs), and allowed 1 to score while preventing the runner on 2nd from scoring.  A good outing, but not exactly heroic.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

He inherited 2 runners (no outs), and allowed 1 to score while preventing the runner on 2nd from scoring.  A good outing, but not exactly heroic.

Tom - check  the RE table and the WPA+. The game, more likely than not, was about to fall apart when he came in.  The only better thing he could have done were pop ups or Ks from the first two batters.  Every other play would have let one run score. 2/3ds of the time, both score, and 40% of the time, a reliever gives up one on his own. 

[tomterp]

Tom - check  the RE table and the WPA+. The game, more likely than not, was about to fall apart when he came in.  The only better thing he could have done were pop ups or Ks from the first two batters.  Every other play would have let one run score. 2/3ds of the time, both score, and 40% of the time, a reliever gives up one on his own. 

With runners 2nd and 3rd no outs, Batista had a 39.3% chance of giving up 0 or 1 run, which he achieved.  Better than expected, but not extraordinary, as you are implying.

[The Chief]

[spidernat]

       

[JCA-CrystalCity]

With runners 2nd and 3rd no outs, Batista had a 39.3% chance of giving up 0 or 1 run, which he achieved.  Better than expected, but not extraordinary, as you are implying.

Yes, but the leverage was high, thus the high WPA (over .2). He came on with a 2 run lead in the second half of the game, and he left with a lead.  At this point, a separate thread might be useful. 

[blue911]

Does the winner get to keep the pocket protector? 

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Pocket protector? Keep Trent Williams out of it.