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Offline PC

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Re: Atilano wasn't a "career minor leaguer"!
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2010, 11:26:27 pm »
Calling someone a career minor leaguer is slight.  It's intended to be dismissive of that player.  There are so many ways this could have been reported as his first major league start/game without referring to him as a career minor leaguer.  A 24-year-old, isn't a career anything.  He's had no career.  He's 24!

Is someone like Luis Atilano what you think of when you hear "career minor leaguer"?  When I hear "career minor leaguer", I think Mike Bacsik and HE wasn't even a career minor leaguer, much to our horror and dismay.  :spaz:

Offline Dave B

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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2010, 11:26:36 pm »
Well, technically... up until two starts ago... Atilano WAS a career minor leaguer.

Exactly. I think we are assuming too much if we are assuming people were projecting him to be a minor leaguer his whole career. How else would you describe someone who has until now only pitched in the minor leagues? "Atilano, who has only pitched in the minor leagues" or "Atilano, a career minor leaguer".  Ink and pixels aren't cheap. Condense that crap whenever possible

Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: Atilano wasn't a "career minor leaguer"!
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2010, 11:29:51 pm »
Adam Fox is a career minor leaguer.  Pete Orr is a career minor leaguer.

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Re: Atilano wasn't a "career minor leaguer"!
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2010, 11:33:45 pm »
Adam Fox is a career minor leaguer.  Pete Orr is a career minor leaguer.

i guess the term has two meanings

Offline PC

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Re: Atilano wasn't a "career minor leaguer"!
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2010, 11:39:34 pm »
Exactly. I think we are assuming too much if we are assuming people were projecting him to be a minor leaguer his whole career. How else would you describe someone who has until now only pitched in the minor leagues? "Atilano, who has only pitched in the minor leagues" or "Atilano, a career minor leaguer".  Ink and pixels aren't cheap. Condense that crap whenever possible

Every player making his first major league start, doesn't get described as a career minor leaguer.  As a  matter of fact, that description is actually quite rare.  Daniel Stange, for example, pitcher for the Diamondbacks, played in his first major league game today a 'Stange "career minor leaguer"' search returns no Google results.

I did a more general Google search on "career minor leaguer" and the first result was a Post article about Rick Short.  Now HE would have been accurately described as a career minor leaguer.  He was 34 the first time he played in a major league game!

EDIT - The next result was about some Yankees farm player named Jon Weber.  He's 32 and has been in the minors for 11 years, never playing a major league game.  He is a career minor leaguer.

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Re: Atilano wasn't a "career minor leaguer"!
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2010, 11:47:59 pm »
i guess the term has two meanings

Dave B's meaning, and the meaning the rest of the world uses.

Offline Dave B

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Re: Atilano wasn't a "career minor leaguer"!
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2010, 11:50:28 pm »
Every player making his first major league start, doesn't get described as a career minor leaguer.  As a  matter of fact, that description is actually quite rare.  Daniel Stange, for example, pitcher for the Diamondbacks played in his first major league game today an 'Stange "career minor leaguer"' returns no Google results.

I did a more general Google search on "career minor leaguer" and the first result was a Post article about Rick Short.  Now HE would have been accurately described as a career minor leaguer.

OK, I forget what we were arguing about. If you want to draw an age minimum, fine. 24 is close. Short is an extreme example

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Re: Atilano wasn't a "career minor leaguer"!
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2010, 07:51:14 am »
Given that Atilano had surgery -- serious surgery -- that cost him a couple of seasons. Consider him "actually" 22. Or, OTH, consider that TJ surgery usually takes at least 5 mph from a fastball (remembering TJ himself) and you could consider that Atilano "should" be no better than a AA or AAA pitcher. Misleading either way, but it's easier for a sports-entertainer to declare "career minor leaguer" than to think.

"24 yo pitcher" still sounds young to me.

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Re: Atilano wasn't a "career minor leaguer"!
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2010, 08:31:53 am »
I don't care what they call him as long as he keeps winning.

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Re: Atilano wasn't a "career minor leaguer"!
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2010, 08:35:37 am »
Given that Atilano had surgery -- serious surgery -- that cost him a couple of seasons. Consider him "actually" 22. Or, OTH, consider that TJ surgery usually takes at least 5 mph from a fastball (remembering TJ himself) and you could consider that Atilano "should" be no better than a AA or AAA pitcher. Misleading either way, but it's easier for a sports-entertainer to declare "career minor leaguer" than to think.

"24 yo pitcher" still sounds young to me.

It is starting to sound young to me too. Is that bad?