Zimmermann ahead of schedule

[KyleScha]

per Lodson's blog... http://therocket.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/03/wang_zimmermann_have_bullpen_s.html

Great news that he's already throwing bullpen sessions. If he comes back healthy we may have a rotation of Strasburg, Wang, Zimmermann, Lannan, and Marquis by August. Looking into next season, that is an excellent pitching staff. I'm so excited.

[DPMOmaha]

Dude, Zmann, it's not about this year, it's about the next 10.

[PC]

Please don't rush him back!

I think the people in charge of this team have absolutely no brains! 

[Potomac Cannons]

 

TJ surgery is a 9-12 month recovery at this point.  Joe Nathan is expected to be back to a normal throwing regimen at the beginning of next season.  JZim is on exactly the pace of most recent TJ surgeries.  There's nothing rushed about this.

[Potomac Cannons]

Please don't rush him back!

I think the people in charge of this team have absolutely no brains! 

How about actually reading the article.  The last two statements are that he won't pitch until August and the team is looking and him and Stras as the staff 1-2 in 2011. 

[houston-nat]

Again, he is not really ahead of schedule. The usual TJ recoverer starts throwing bullpen sessions 6 months after surgery - so Zimmermann is right on time.

[PC]

How about actually reading the article.  The last two statements are that he won't pitch until August and the team is looking and him and Stras as the staff 1-2 in 2011.  

Zimmermann is ahead of schedule in terms of making a comeback, but general manager Mike Rizzo told  Zimmermann that he would not pitch in a game until August.

Did you read the article?

Translation - They think he's ahead of schedule and they're going to rush him, ie have him pitch in "a game in August".

The first time he should pitch in "a game" is winter leagues, if not next spring.

Nothing will be gained by having him pitch in "a game in August".

[Vega]

Management needs to be smart about this. If there is any chance that he could possibly injure his arm firther by pitching this year, don't do it. If he's fully healed, I might consider easing him back in, probably starting in the minors.

[Potomac Cannons]

Come on people.  Stop with the management rushing him crap.  TJ surgeries take 9-12 months for full recovery now.  6 months in is the time you start BP sessions.  The freaking GM told the pitcher he will not pitch in a game until August and the team is looking for JZim and SS to take the 1-2 spots in the rotation for 2011.  They're doing this EXACTLY HOW THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO! 

Stop trying so hard to find something wrong with how the team is being handled.  There is a clear plan in place, a change of management at nearly every level and legitimate baseball people in charge.  They are handling a situation just how they should and still their is mindless nagging.  Maybe consecutive 100 loss seasons is the product this fan base deserves.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

Come on people.  Stop with the management rushing him crap.  TJ surgeries take 9-12 months for full recovery now.  6 months in is the time you start BP sessions.  The freaking GM told the pitcher he will not pitch in a game until August and the team is looking for JZim and SS to take the 1-2 spots in the rotation for 2011.  They're doing this EXACTLY HOW THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO! 

Stop trying so hard to find something wrong with how the team is being handled.  There is a clear plan in place, a change of management at nearly every level and legitimate baseball people in charge.  They are handling a situation just how they should and still their is mindless nagging.  Maybe consecutive 100 loss seasons is the product this fan base deserves.

Then Bill Ladson is lying?  Ugh, what a scumbag.  He should be fired or put in jail for this kind of crap. 

[Nathan]

Then Bill Ladson is lying?  Ugh, what a scumbag.  He should be fired or put in jail for this kind of crap. 

You forgot

[Potomac Cannons]

Ladson's blog is the one saying that he won't pitch until August and is being looked at for the rotation NEXT SEASON.

JZim is being held to the timeline he is supposed to be on.  Nothing in the blog contradicted that.

[Potomac Cannons]

Did you read the article?

Translation - They think he's ahead of schedule and they're going to rush him, ie have him pitch in "a game in August".

The first time he should pitch in "a game" is winter leagues, if not next spring.

Nothing will be gained by having him pitch in "a game in August".

He's "ahead" of recovery schedule BUT he won't pitch until August (That's in the expected 9-12 month time frame for TJ recovery). 

TJ surgery normally takes 9-12 months for recovery (teams cover their asses with the 18 month line)
JZim is ahead of where it would be expected at the 6 month mark.
Despite that fact the team is going to hold him out of actual games until August entirely because they don't want to rush him.
August is 12 months from the time he had the freaking surgery meaning that they are intent on handling this just the way it should be handled.

[Nathan]

Yes, please do.  And continue bashing and insulting board members.  It makes us pay even more attention to your posts and opinions.

[houston-nat]

I mean, I hate to break it to you guys, but Cannons is right. Not about the people being idiots part, just the Tommy John part.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

It's as if no one can read.  Ladson's blog is the one saying that he won't pitch until August and is being looked at for the rotation NEXT SEASON.  How freaking stupid are some of you people? 

So Bill Ladson isn't lying in the part of his blog entry that PC highlighted?

I guess this means that YOU are lying.

You and the entire management of the Nationals should be TRIED AT THE HAGUE and FLOGGED for being evil scumbags.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

Translation:  You can't read simple English.  He's "ahead" of recovery schedule BUT he won't pitch until August (That's in the expected 9-12 month time frame for TJ recovery). 

Nowhere does it say he's "ahead of recovery schedule."  It says he's ahead of schedule for a comeback.

Why are you so damned pissy?

[Nathan]

I mean, I hate to break it to you guys, but Cannons is right. Not about the people being idiots part, just the Tommy John part.

He often has good points.  He just presents them in the most ass way possible.

[PC]

Nowhere does it say he's "ahead of recovery schedule."  It says he's ahead of schedule for a comeback.

If the statement was as it was reworded, I'd have no problem with it.  Unfortunately, it wasn't.

I quoted it, EXACTLY AS IT WAS WRITTEN.

The "ahead of schedule" part is meaningless because it's March, now.  Being ahead of schedule in March means nothing.

The problem is the pitch "in a game in August".  If he pitches "in a game in August" when is he going to start prepring his alarm to pitch in this game, July? What level will he pitch "in a game in August"?

The pitch "in a game in August" simply can't be true but that was the quote and that prompted my post.

Oh and yes, I can read simple English.  You just can't quote simple English and then you hurl insults like a 10 year old.  Of course, most 10 year olds could cut and paste a quote without getting it wrong.

[PANatsFan]

He often has good points.  He just presents them in the most ass way possible.

[imref]

TJ surgery is a 9-12 month recovery at this point.  Joe Nathan is expected to be back to a normal throwing regimen at the beginning of next season.  JZim is on exactly the pace of most recent TJ surgeries.  There's nothing rushed about this.

throwing programs start after 6 months usually, you are right, he's on perfect track to come back.

[Potomac Cannons]

I mean, I hate to break it to you guys, but Cannons is right. Not about the people being idiots part, just the Tommy John part.

Let's also add that teams now have pitchers get TJ surgery before it is absolutely necessary as the procedure is so established and advanced that most pitchers come back with a healthier/stronger arm.

[Potomac Cannons]

throwing programs start after 6 months usually, you are right, he's on perfect track to come back.

6 months is the time to start throwing.  9-12 months is the return to game action.  18 months maximum is the point where the arm is actually stronger than prior to the TJ surgery.  Elbow injuries are almost becoming a welcome sight with young pitchers so teams can push their clock back a bit and get a better product in the end.  Shoulder injuries are still career death to pitchers.

[Potomac Cannons]

The problem is the pitch "in a game in August".  If he pitches "in a game in August" when is he going to start prepring his alarm to pitch in this game, July? What level will he pitch "in a game in August"?

The pitch "in a game in August" simply can't be true but that was the quote and that prompted my post.

Why can't pitching a game in August be true?  Throwing now and pitching in games in August would mean that JZim is on exactly the right time frame.  Just because the MLB hired goof thinks that being right on the timeline of other pitchers who have TJ surgery somehow puts JZim ahead of the curve doesn't make it true. 

Rizzo won't let him pitch in a game until August.  That's 12 months, right when he should.  18 months, when the arm should get to the point of being stronger than pre-surgery, will see JZim heading to ST for 2011.  The team is hoping he and SS take the 1-2 spots in the rotation for 2011.  Kind of fits the timeline of a pitcher having TJ surgery perfectly, almost as if the team knew that would be the case and had JZim go ahead and have the surgery just to get it out of the way knowing this year would not be a legitimate playoff opportunity.

http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100321&content_id=8858966&vkey=news_min&fext=.jsp&c_id=min

Read the above article, specifically paragraph four, as it relates to the recovery time from TJ surgery.  Joe Nathan is just the most recent example of the 12 month recovery time that is standard for the freaking procedure.

[houston-nat]

Healthy Strasburg, healthy Zimmermann, healthy Wang, healthy Lannan, healthy Detwiler/Marquis is a playoff rotation in 2011. If we trade Marquis, we'll have $32 million to spend on the 2011 roster (Guz, Dunn, Kennedy, Capps). As nice as it would be to spend that money on Josh Beckett and have a top-5 rotation in all the MLB, I think we will need to invest in some bigtime hitters for first and the outfield. I would like to see a breakout year from Desmond and breakout half-years from Flores, Storen, and one more position player. For Zimmermann the goal this year, when he pitches in August and September, is just to make sure he still can and is looking okay and ready to step it up next year.