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Offline Evolution33

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Re: Nats sign Jason Marquis
« Reply #225 on: December 22, 2009, 03:33:48 pm »
I don't think Rizzo saying we checked off a need doesn't mean another starter won't be signed. I have noticed that after every move he makes he says we have checked off a need. Maybe his list reads like this

Bullpen Live Body (check)
Back of the Bullpen presence (check back tomorrow evening)
Innings eating starter (check)
Back-up Catcher (check)
High Upside Injured pitcher
Middle Infielder not named Guzman

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« Reply #226 on: December 22, 2009, 03:35:02 pm »
Except our backup catcher thinks he's the everyday starter for his two year stint here.

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« Reply #227 on: December 22, 2009, 03:37:03 pm »
Except our backup catcher thinks he's the everyday starter for his two year stint here.

Does it matter if he thinks he is the Queen of Shri Lanka?

It matters if Riggleman thinks he is the back-up or starter.

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« Reply #228 on: December 22, 2009, 03:39:26 pm »
Except our backup catcher thinks he's the everyday starter for his two year stint here.

Well, considering Flores is injured every other game, he just may be the everyday guy...

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« Reply #229 on: December 22, 2009, 03:39:50 pm »
Well, considering Flores is injured every other game, he just may be the everyday guy...

He's the every day guy for the first third of the season . . .

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« Reply #230 on: December 22, 2009, 03:40:21 pm »
It matters if Riggleman thinks he is the back-up or starter.

Which scares me. He thought using Pete Orr was a better idea than giving everyday at bats to Ian Desmond as well.

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« Reply #231 on: December 22, 2009, 03:46:37 pm »
Which scares me. He thought using Pete Orr was a better idea than giving everyday at bats to Ian Desmond as well.

Desmond is neither Canadian or a Warrior so it makes since.

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« Reply #232 on: December 22, 2009, 03:47:36 pm »
Which scares me. He thought using Pete Orr was a better idea than giving everyday at bats to Ian Desmond as well.
I think the fact that Desmond was a pretty bad 2B played a part in that too.  Otherwise, I don't think Riggs would have pushed to move Guz to 2B as much as he has. 

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« Reply #233 on: December 22, 2009, 03:54:11 pm »
Livan isn't decent. Also I'd imagine Sheets or Duchscherer would be available on a one year deal to rehab their value.

And why can't we add Piniero or Garland? Would it really hurt to have three tested MLB starters?

Garland wants to pitch on the west coast.

I dunno about Piniero.

either way, we need at least 1 more starter. Sheets or Piniero maybe.  Marquis can't be it.

get Capps, get 1 more starter, get some MI help, and we can call it a successful offseason. otherwise, no.

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« Reply #234 on: December 22, 2009, 04:14:44 pm »
As a few guys have mentioned, taking a flyer on one of the high reward injury guys would be worth taking a look at.  I'm not sure how realistic those are, but they'd be worth taking a shot at.
I think that's what they are thinking of Olsen as.  Coming off injury, high reward :(

Livan isn't decent. Also I'd imagine Sheets or Duchscherer would be available on a one year deal to rehab their value.

And why can't we add Piniero or Garland? Would it really hurt to have three tested MLB starters?
I've read that Sheets is asking a lot.  $12MM I think he was looking for, I'll have to see if I can dig it up on MLBTR.

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« Reply #235 on: December 22, 2009, 04:29:26 pm »
I think that's what they are thinking of Olsen as.  Coming off injury, high reward
Meh, maybe.  But he was already in the organization.  I know he was non-tendered and techincally be came a FA, but I don't think he is what they were talking about when the off season was beginning and he's not a high end guy, he's a guy who could prove dependable.  Those other three are guys who could become aces.  That's a high reward guy, not Olsen.

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« Reply #236 on: December 22, 2009, 04:33:18 pm »
Meh, maybe.  But he was already in the organization.  I know he was non-tendered and techincally be came a FA, but I don't think he is what they were talking about when the off season was beginning and he's not a high end guy, he's a guy who could prove dependable.  Those other three are guys who could become aces.  That's a high reward guy, not Olsen.
I'd like Sheets or Duchscherer but not Sheets at $12MM.  Three "unnamed" teams have offers on the table for Duchscherer.  Maybe we could all be surprised and one of those teams is the Nats.

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« Reply #237 on: December 22, 2009, 04:37:51 pm »
I would consider Sheets for a year at $12 mil. 

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« Reply #238 on: December 22, 2009, 04:49:31 pm »
I would consider Sheets for a year at $12 mil. 

The guy hasn't pitched in a year. No way should he get $12 million.

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« Reply #239 on: December 22, 2009, 04:59:14 pm »
I would consider Sheets for a year at $12 mil. 

I'd offer Sheets the same deal that Marquis accepted.

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« Reply #240 on: December 22, 2009, 05:00:20 pm »
The guy hasn't pitched in a year. No way should he get $12 million.
I didn't say he should, I said it's worth considering.  He's got table turning talent, if I could get him to listen, I'd consider it.  I don't think it's completely unreasonable for one year. 

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« Reply #241 on: December 22, 2009, 05:01:13 pm »
I'd offer Sheets the same deal that Marquis accepted.
I'd probably start in that area too, but I'd be willing to go a fair bit higher, if it were me, which it's not.

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« Reply #242 on: December 22, 2009, 05:03:08 pm »
I'd offer Sheets the same deal that Marquis accepted.

I had that thought too. He's been injured a lot, but he always seemed to get a lot of innings in before this year, which he missed entirely. I don't think you offer two guaranteed years to someone who has yet to pitch in the majors after missing a year with major surgery - too high a probability of getting burned.

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« Reply #243 on: December 22, 2009, 05:06:21 pm »
I had that thought too. He's been injured a lot, but he always seemed to get a lot of innings in before this year, which he missed entirely. I don't think you offer two guaranteed years to someone who has yet to pitch in the majors after missing a year with major surgery - too high a probability of getting burned.

It would be nice if he would accept a minor league contract.Not to short change him financially, but to allow for more than a 30 day rehab in the minors.

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« Reply #244 on: December 22, 2009, 06:49:31 pm »
Livan isn't decent. Also I'd imagine Sheets or Duchscherer would be available on a one year deal to rehab their value.

And why can't we add Piniero or Garland? Would it really hurt to have three tested MLB starters?
Yeah I misworded that statement. But the Nats may consider Livan a decent starter and you know he wants to play here. That would suck. Any one of our young guys can put up better or comparable numbers to him.

I would be excited if we signed Garland or Pineiro to a deal less than 3 years but I can't see the Nats signing either one.

I guess the Smoltz signing could make sense but I can't really imagine him wanting to play here for his last year or two. Other then that, I can't see any other starter the Nats would realistically sign other than Livo.

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Re: Nats sign Jason Marquis
« Reply #245 on: December 22, 2009, 07:02:47 pm »
SF I don't know why you're so worried about them bringing Hernandez back.  If I recall, he was looking for 3 million or something like that...  no way that's going to happen.

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« Reply #246 on: December 22, 2009, 07:03:05 pm »
The Marquis signing isn't all that bad. It's better than signing Pudge. Because the deal is only 2 years with average money, he won't be a liability. I was seriously worried that the Nats might sign him for 3/21. After 2 years, the team should be able to contend and will have one starting spot to fill after Strasburg, Lannan, Zimmermann, and Detwiler. Maybe that guy could be Justin Verlander coming to the team that is the closest to his hometown.

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« Reply #247 on: December 22, 2009, 07:04:29 pm »
SF I don't know why you're so worried about them bringing Hernandez back.  If I recall, he was looking for 3 million or something like that...  no way that's going to happen.
he'll be lucky to get $1 Million. definitely no guaranteed deal.

Minor League deal with ST invite

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« Reply #248 on: December 22, 2009, 07:04:29 pm »
The Marquis signing isn't all that bad. It's better than signing Pudge. Because the deal is only 2 years with average money, he won't be a liability. I was seriously worried that the Nats might sign him for 3/21. After 2 years, the team should be able to contend and will have one starting spot to fill after Strasburg, Lannan, Zimmermann, and Detwiler. Maybe that guy could be Justin Verlander coming to the team that is the closest to his hometown.

Verlander would be a great move.

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Re: Nats sign Jason Marquis
« Reply #249 on: December 22, 2009, 07:04:30 pm »
It would be nice if he would accept a minor league contract.Not to short change him financially, but to allow for more than a 30 day rehab in the minors.

A split contract for $12 million? Has that ever happened?