Washington Wizards Thread (2009-2010)

[CatsEye]

   Break the whole team up, like I said before. Blow them to the wind. Keep Jamison, Miller and Boykin and go from there.  Best thing they can do is to start the Wizards team over ........
  AND GET RID OF ARENAS AND Creep-dom (It's a joke - it's my life in danger - it's a joke.....aww yea, the joke is on both of you-----------Bad blood -  Bad mojo - Begone....), and that is from me - A Wizards Season Ticket Holder......

                        

[imref]

does it really matter though?  The strategy appears to be to clear cap space to go after free agents, but unless this team convinces Phil Jackson to coach next year, who in their right mind will sign here?  Their only hope is the draft, and we've all seen what the last 10 years has brought us.

[CatsEye]

does it really matter though?  The strategy appears to be to clear cap space to go after free agents, but unless this team convinces Phil Jackson to coach next year, who in their right mind will sign here?  Their only hope is the draft, and we've all seen what the last 10 years has brought us.

                I think, depending on who finally gets the ownership of the Wizards, the whole dynamics of the team could change, and change very easily. For the right amount of money, you would be amazed who would come here. I still would like to see  Green as a Wizards player, since he was an outstanding Georgetown player; even though he signed with the Sonics, now the Oklahoma ______________.

[amanuel]

To be reallly honest with

   Break the whole team up, like I said before. Blow them to the wind. Keep Jamison, Miller and Boykin and go from there.  Best thing they can do is to start the Wizards team over ........
  AND GET RID OF ARENAS AND Creep-dom (It's a joke - it's my life in danger - it's a joke.....aww yea, the joke is on both of you-----------Bad blood -  Bad mojo - Begone....), and that is from me - A Wizards Season Ticket Holder......

                         

To be really honest that is a dumb thing to do. Why cut Arenas and rebuilid around Jamsion, who is almost 32+ and has a huge contract? If I was GM I would have made alot of moves to get expiring and rebuilid around 3 main guys. One Arenas, yes hes a bastard I understand but the guy was finally come into himself. After missing basically 2 years he was in the top 10 in scoring. 2 Caron Butler, you need a guy like him on any team that thinks of winning. Look at some of the past champions that won, they always had a guy who can defend and score. 3rd guy is Mike Miller. Why you ask because the guys doesnt need that many shots to score. He can open the lanes for Arenas and Butler to slash. Now with Jamsion you can ship him to a team like the Suns who want to win but dont have no clue what they are doing. In return for Jamsion get a real PF with size and thats Amare Stoudmire. Than free agency sign a big man like Marcus Camby who will fit in really nicely with Stoudmire.

PG - Arenas
SG - Mike Miller
SF - Caron Butler
PF - Amare Stoudmire
CE - Marcus Camby

Bench - Foye, Boykins, Blatch , Mcgee, Nick Young, filler, filler, first round pick

This team right here can possibly contend for an easter conference crown. Celtics are old, Magics are soft and Lebron might say f*** off to Cleveland.

[CatsEye]

 Caron is gone and has been traded, see earlier in thread. Arenas has been out more than in, in a uniform playing basketball, with his injuires and now this year with his shenanigans - not worth the money he has been paid to date, with all the baggage he comes with. Mike Miller is a keeper -agree. Give Nick Young and Boykin more court time; they have been doing a good job when put into play. Need some high caliber players for next season - and if Leonsis gets the team, finally; we know he will spend the dollars to get talent.
  This is not a dumb thing to do, it is one of the options available for the Wizards Management and Owner (whoever that ends up to be) to reconstruct and rebuild the team. AND yes there are other options out there, but I think you will find in the end, when all is said and done, those options will not include Arenas.....
                                                     

[amanuel]

Caron is gone and has been traded, see earlier in thread. Arenas has been out more than in, in a uniform playing basketball, with his injuires and now this year with his shenanigans - not worth the money he has been paid to date, with all the baggage he comes with. Mike Miller is a keeper -agree. Give Nick Young and Boykin more court time; they have been doing a good job when put into play. Need some high caliber players for next season - and if Leonsis gets the team, finally; we know he will spend the dollars to get talent.
  This is not a dumb thing to do, it is one of the options available for the Wizards Management and Owner (whoever that ends up to be) to reconstruct and rebuild the team. AND yes there are other options out there, but I think you will find in the end, when all is said and done, those options will not include Arenas.....
                                                     

I already knew that Butler was traded thats why I said "if I was GM." But anyways its terrible to rebuilid a team with an aging undersized Jamsion playing the PF postion. They should have kept Butler, keep Arenas and go after a real PF (boozer or Amare doesnt matter to me)

[CatsEye]

I already knew that Butler was traded thats why I said "if I was GM." But anyways its terrible to rebuilid a team with an aging undersized Jamsion playing the PF postion. They should have kept Butler, keep Arenas and go after a real PF (boozer or Amare doesnt matter to me)

                Butler was on the trading block long before the Arenas fiasco happened; I knew they were quietly trying to trade Butler a while back. Caron didn't seem to get along too well with his teammates - seems their were too many players that wanted to be Chiefs (including Butler) and not Indians - leader of the pack, and the whole Alpha dog thing, if you get my drift. So it was no surprise, to me, when he was traded.
               Arenas has burned his bridges with Wizards fans and the Pollin family, nor do I think that Leonsis (if he becomes the Wizards' owner) would tolerate that type of behavior, etc. If you sat where I sat and heard the comments about Arenas by the fans, when this whole fiasco unfolded, you would know that they think he is "stupid", "crazy",  "a joke", "an airhead" (I quote these descriptions exactly from Wizards ST), who they don't want to see again in a Wizards uniform playing in the Verizon center.
               So don't built the team around Jamison, but leave him as Captain of the Team, and get a new hotshot to be the star, that can play a full season, and doesn't bring a whole lot of baggage with him.
                                                                                       

[HalfSmokes]

                Butler was on the trading block long before the Arenas fiasco happened; I knew they were quietly trying to trade Butler a while back. Caron didn't seem to get along too well with his teammates - seems their were too many players that wanted to be Chiefs (including Butler) and not Indians - leader of the pack, and the whole Alpha dog thing, if you get my drift. So it was no surprise, to me, when he was traded.
               Arenas has burned his bridges with Wizards fans and the Pollin family, nor do I think that Leonsis (if he becomes the Wizards' owner) would tolerate that type of behavior, etc. If you sat where I sat and heard the comments about Arenas by the fans, when this whole fiasco unfolded, you would know that they think he is "stupid", "crazy",  "a joke", "an airhead" (I quote these descriptions exactly from Wizards ST), who they don't want to see again in a Wizards uniform playing in the Verizon center.
               So don't built the team around Jamison, but leave him as Captain of the Team, and get a new hotshot to be the star, that can play a full season, and doesn't bring a whole lot of baggage with him.
                                                                                       

I can't see them being able to get rid of Arenas- no one will trade for him, you can't really just release him with that contract, and why would he take a buyout when he has the full value comming

[PANatsFan]

I can't see them being able to get rid of Arenas- no one will trade for him, you can't really just release him with that contract, and why would he take a buyout when he has the full value comming

They'll void it with the felony conviction. Problem solved.

[HalfSmokes]

They'll void it with the felony conviction. Problem solved.

good luck with that

The Void NBA contracts have a clause that allows teams to void the contracts if players "at any time, fail, refuse, or neglect to conform his personal conduct to standards of good citizenship, good moral character (defined here to mean not engaging in acts of moral turpitude, whether or not such acts would constitute a crime)." This would seem to be an easy way for the Wizards to part ways with Arenas, should they choose. It has also been suggested that if Arenas is imprisoned and can not honor his contract next season, there may be another legal way to void the deal.

Not so fast, say legal experts. ESPN's Lester Munson points out that the NBA's collective bargaining agreement provides specific punishments for gun crimes. Should the team face the Players' Association before an arbitrator, Munson says the arbitrator is unlikely to accept that Arenas needs some sanction beyond what the rules already call for. You can see the logic: The rules say he can be suspended and fined for this. And yet that's not nearly enough punishment?

Meanwhile, NBA salary cap expert Larry Coon explains on The New York Times' website that voiding contracts it a team strategy that could make things tricky for the League in negotiating the next collective bargaining agreement. He writes:

The current collective bargaining agreement is set to expire in 2011. Both sides are already gearing up for the negotiations, and the league will be seeking a number of concessions from the players. One of these could be altering the nebulously-worded morals clause, giving the teams a clear set of criteria for terminating a player's contract.

The league is still chagrined by the Golden State Warriors' attempt to void Latrell Sprewell's contract in 1997, after Sprewell attempted to choke Coach P.J. Carlesimo. This action was overturned by the league's arbitrator, who ruled that Sprewell did not violate the morals clause.

Given this history, the league could find itself in a no-win situation should the Wizards attempt to void Arenas' contract. It would certainly be grieved by the players' association on Arenas' behalf. Should Arenas prevail in the subsequent litigation, it would be a severe blow to the league.

But even if the league prevails in litigation, their negotiating position would be weakened. A victory would send a message that the current language in the morals clause is sufficient and not in need of revision.

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=4866512&pg=0

[PANatsFan]

Arenas would look like a supreme prick and would never play again if he makes them pay in full. But he'd also be set for life.

[HalfSmokes]

Arenas would look like a supreme prick and would never play again if he makes them pay in full. But he'd also be set for life.

for $80 million, people could look at me however they want.  The guy has a million dollar pool on a Mclain estate, somehow I doubt he has squarreled away much of what he's made so far

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/07/gilberts_pool_the_pics.html

[PANatsFan]

Hush, he's trying to look out for his kids. They can have swimming lessons there and he'll only need to have 2 or 3 guns around.

[PC]

Gilbert Arenas is going to do prison time for this felony.  There's NO WAY that's covered by the CBA as far as preventing a contract from being voided.

The prison time is the key here.

[HalfSmokes]

Gilbert Arenas is going to do prison time for this felony.  There's NO WAY that's covered by the CBA as far as preventing a contract from being voided.

The prison time is the key here.

1. he may not do any

2. he may not do time during the season

[PC]

1. he may not do any

2. he may not do time during the season

He's likely going to do some just because of what the settlement he made with the prosecutor and it doesn't matter whether he actually in prison when the season starts.  Prison time, at any time, should allow the contract to be voided.  After all, he would be an employee of the Washington Wizards and the NBA for 365 days a year.

If being a convicted felon who has done/is doing prison time isn't sufficient to void a contract then what exactly is a voidable offense?

[HalfSmokes]

He's likely going to do some just because of what the settlement he made with the prosecutor and it doesn't matter whether he actually in prison when the season starts.  Prison time, at any time, should allow the contract to be voided.  After all, he would be an employee of the Washington Wizards and the NBA for 365 days a year.

If being a convicted felon who has done/is doing prison time isn't sufficient to void a contract then what exactly is a voidable offense?

I'm sure that's what the wizards will argue. I'm sure Gilbert will argue that the CBA covers gun crimes which logically include those with jail time. Its still not a given the wizards will win

[JMW IV]

Jamison to Cleveland.

Team successfully blown up.

[PC]

Jamison to Cleveland.

Team successfully blown up.

What's your source?

[PC]

From Wizards Journal:

Wizards close to trading Jamison

The Washington Wizards are closing in on a three-team trade that would send Antawn Jamison to Cleveland and Drew Gooden to an undisclosed Western Conference team, according to a person with knowledge of the discussions. The pieces that are being exchanged are unknown, but the Wizards are believed to be receiving Zydrunas Ilgauskas and a first-round pick. More to come.

[PC]

If twitter is to be believed...

Cavs get Jamison and Telfair, Clippers get Drew Gooden and Wash gets Illgauskas, Al Thornton and Brian Skinner and Cavs 1st round pick.

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

[ronnynat]

So far, it looks like...

Wizards get Ilgauskas, Al Thornton, Brian Skinner, 1st round pick
Cavs get Jamison, Telfair
Clippers get Gooden

[JMW IV]

What's your source?

mine was twitter.

[ZIM4MVP]

ESPN reporting that trade now, will be interesting to see of they try anything else.  I feel sorry for the season ticket holders who have wasted money on this crap team

[cmdterps44]

Damn. This team is different. Sucks to see Jamison go as well. I mean whatevers good for the team I just liked Antawn Jamison.

I hope this means we'll draft a guard and/or sign one this off-season or do something big. I don't know how this team will work with Howard, Thornton and Ilgauskas down low.