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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #75 on: December 21, 2008, 02:27:01 am »
This guy sucks.  But we basically gave him a cup of coffee.  So, what can you do?

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #76 on: December 21, 2008, 05:40:52 am »
Logic would dictate that Randy St. Clair's opinion played a significant factor in whether he was worth signing or not.  Randy must think there's some things there that he can tweak to make the signing worth a shot.    
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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #77 on: December 21, 2008, 08:17:24 am »
This guy sucks.  But we basically gave him a cup of coffee.  So, what can you do?

If you look at his game log last season, he had a stretch from mid-April thru July where his ERA was under control. And he was able to post a dozed quality starts on the season. Like a lot of pitchers that struggle, it is all about the walks. He keeps those under control, he can be effective. He's still relatively young and healthy, so if a change of scenery helps it could work out.

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #78 on: December 21, 2008, 08:41:39 am »
Also, untappable makes me think of women.

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Do you guys remember how astonishingly bad Odalis Perez was the year before he joined the Nationals? I think his ERA was something like 7. The fact that he was perfectly serviceable for us as an innings-eater suggests to me that Cabrera shouldn't be awful. And if he is ... we could do with the bullpen help.

I wouldn't call Perez an innings eater.

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #79 on: December 21, 2008, 08:56:35 am »
I wouldn't call Perez an innings eater.

A lot of people think he bites.

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #80 on: December 21, 2008, 09:00:49 am »
Of course, the reality is that if Cabrera blows, and he still retains a rotation spot, we have bigger problems. I'd love to have a rotation where there is no room for Cabrera. But that's not a safe bet.

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #81 on: December 21, 2008, 09:27:29 am »
I'm not going to get into a pointless debate.  Agree to disagree, but posting league ERA's has nothing to do with another.  It's about the hitters we're talking about. 

And I'm not the only one who believes in this theory, hell here's what the Sun had to say and I'm sure other reports to follow will look similar. 

"If you're waiting for me to bash Daniel Cabrera, you're going to be disappointed. I think he'll be fine with the Nats, who reportedly signed him to a one-year contract this weekend. You can lop a half-run off his ERA with the move to the National League and he suddenly looks a lot like Tim Redding, except with a Curt Schilling's-worth of untappable talent."

The DH is why there is more offense in the AL. The talent differential swings back and forth, and is not really significant at this time as it was in previous years. A lot of that has to do with the influx of new stadiums in the NL and subsequent ability of NL teams to spend. (The NL lagged behind the AL in that regard for years and that combined with bad GM moves created a talent differential. When the pitcher doesn't bat, you get addition by subtraction plus the extra bat offensively, and defensively you lose the ability to pitch to weak bottom of the order. That leads to more at bats and more offense. That's why the separation between the best in the AL and the worst is more extreme than the NL which sees more parity.

But while moving to the NL may help his ERA, that's all a relative change, so it doesn't help the team. Certainly going from the Mazzone philosophy to St. Claire's may help him. Bottomline is that this is a good one-year deal. As a young guy with upside, this is a good flyer to take for a 5th starter. It's all about not walking people. He had 12 QSs last year and 5 were against the Yankees and BoSox. He has shown he can be effective against quality hitting. He just needs to adjust his approach and mechanics a bit to see whether he can cut down on the walks and pound the zone.

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #82 on: December 21, 2008, 12:23:02 pm »
The DH is why there is more offense in the AL. The talent differential swings back and forth, and is not really significant at this time as it was in previous years. A lot of that has to do with the influx of new stadiums in the NL and subsequent ability of NL teams to spend. (The NL lagged behind the AL in that regard for years and that combined with bad GM moves created a talent differential. When the pitcher doesn't bat, you get addition by subtraction plus the extra bat offensively, and defensively you lose the ability to pitch to weak bottom of the order. That leads to more at bats and more offense. That's why the separation between the best in the AL and the worst is more extreme than the NL which sees more parity.

But while moving to the NL may help his ERA, that's all a relative change, so it doesn't help the team. Certainly going from the Mazzone philosophy to St. Claire's may help him. Bottomline is that this is a good one-year deal. As a young guy with upside, this is a good flyer to take for a 5th starter. It's all about not walking people. He had 12 QSs last year and 5 were against the Yankees and BoSox. He has shown he can be effective against quality hitting. He just needs to adjust his approach and mechanics a bit to see whether he can cut down on the walks and pound the zone.

Good stuff.

DCab didn't substantially change his ways under Mazzone, who was fired after 2007. Rick Kranitz made a significant change though, encouraging him to throw his sinking fastball almost exclusively. It seems to work well early in the season, but then he forgot how to throw it over the plate.   

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #83 on: December 21, 2008, 01:24:20 pm »
low risk, high reward. i see no problem with this.

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #84 on: December 21, 2008, 03:10:44 pm »

I wouldn't call Perez an innings eater.

A lot of people think he bites.

I heard he tries to hard to nibble the corners.

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #85 on: December 21, 2008, 06:13:19 pm »
Collin Balester's comments from his blog on the Cabrera signing:

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...yeah I just saw that we got a real good pitcher in Daniel Cabrera I would say that there are 3 spots that I would say are set and thats Lannan, Olsen and now Cabrera and the other 2 spots are going to be a fight to the finish with I would say a list of about 5 or 6 guys and its going to be tough and im working extremely hard right now to show everyone im ready for a spot.


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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #86 on: December 21, 2008, 06:23:15 pm »
Collin Balester's comments from his blog on the Cabrera signing:

...yeah I just saw that we got a real good pitcher in Daniel Cabrera I would say that there are 3 spots that I would say are set and thats Lannan, Olsen and now Cabrera and the other 2 spots are going to be a fight to the finish with I would say a list of about 5 or 6 guys and its going to be tough and im working extremely hard right now to show everyone im ready for a spot.
Maybe it's just me but I think it's kinda sad that we can pencil in a castoff from Baltimore with elbow problems as an automatic starter in our rotation. Shouldn't a team that is currently offering a $200 million contract offer to the top free agent this year be able to come up with something better than Cabrera?

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #87 on: December 21, 2008, 06:27:58 pm »
Maybe it's just me but I think it's kinda sad that we can pencil in a castoff from Baltimore with elbow problems as an automatic starter in our rotation. Shouldn't a team that is currently offering a $200 million contract offer to the top free agent this year be able to come up with something better than Cabrera?

He's being modest

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #88 on: December 21, 2008, 06:32:12 pm »
Maybe it's just me but I think it's kinda sad that we can pencil in a castoff from Baltimore with elbow problems as an automatic starter in our rotation. Shouldn't a team that is currently offering a $200 million contract offer to the top free agent this year be able to come up with something better than Cabrera?

He was the O's #2 on August 19th.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070819121518/http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/team/depth_chart/index.jsp?c_id=bal

Olsen was the Marlins #2 on August 18th as well.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070820013638/http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/team/depth_chart/index.jsp?c_id=fla

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #89 on: December 21, 2008, 06:33:11 pm »
He's being modest
Could be but Balester is just echoing the prevailing sentiment which is my whole point - we need to get off this treadmill of looking thru the dumpster every year for pitchers, especially if we're all of a sudden trying to snag someone who will probably sign for around 8/200.

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #92 on: December 21, 2008, 06:46:23 pm »
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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #93 on: December 21, 2008, 06:48:05 pm »
I'd get all the chicks if I could make that face.

I'm practicing in the mirror right now. ;)

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #94 on: December 21, 2008, 07:03:29 pm »
Collin Balester's comments from his blog on the Cabrera signing:


http://www.wnff.net/index.php/topic,11692.msg309931.html#msg309931

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #95 on: December 22, 2008, 09:53:42 am »
This is quite interesting.  I would expect this kind of discussion to be happening on the board of the team that signed D-Cab.  The fans in favor of it -- low risk, low cost signing of a player with a less then stellar history but lots of raw talent and potentia;, those claiming the team's pitching coach and a change of scenery could turn the guy around, and the fans on the other side, who look at his poor performance over the past few years and predict this won't work. 

Funny, this very same debate is going on over at the White Sox Interactive message board.  There are a group of Sox fans who are disappointed, even angry that Kenny Williams didn't sign D-Cab, while other fans debate that it would have been a stupid move. 

D-Cab fits the Kenny Williams profile of a low-risk, high return contract.  A young, talented guy with a poor or no track record.  Kenny has captured lightening in a bottle more times than not (guys like Bobby Jenks, Alexei Ramirez, Tad Iguchi, AJ Pierczynski, Carlos Quentin, Gavin Floyd, and John Danks were all unknowns or their clubs had "given up" on them). Many of our fans view White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper as a miracle worker, and argued he could have turned the "head case" that Cabreara is thought to be into a proven starter. 

Looking at it from that perspective, it is a low risk contract, although I think if you're willing to cut a guy in ST because he might not make the team, the price the Nats paid might be a bit too high.  Perhaps that's what happened -- the Nats outbid the White Sox and everyone else.  Needless to say, even if D-Cab turns out to be average, its a successful acquisition. 

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #96 on: December 23, 2008, 08:12:05 am »
According to MLB Trade Rumors...

The Pirates offered slightly more than the $2.6MM Daniel Cabrera signed for with the Nationals.  D-Cab wanted to remain in the area.  The Pirates may choose not to pursue any other free agent starters.

When I saw his information I was thinking I should start a brand new thread just titled, "He signed here FOR LESS!!!" But I thought better of it. ;)

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #97 on: December 23, 2008, 08:40:48 am »
According to MLB Trade Rumors...

The Pirates offered slightly more than the $2.6MM Daniel Cabrera signed for with the Nationals.  D-Cab wanted to remain in the area.  The Pirates may choose not to pursue any other free agent starters.

When I saw his information I was thinking I should start a brand new thread just titled, "He signed here FOR LESS!!!" But I thought better of it. ;)

I had a feeling something like that would happen. At least someone acknowledge that DC/Baltimore isn't rural North Dakota.

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #98 on: December 23, 2008, 09:07:27 am »
Hey TomTerp. Who will wear #40 next year.? Balester or Cabrera? They both wore #40 last year and I am sure Bally Loves being #40.
 We all think Bally will be the #3 starter with Lannan, Olsen as 1-2 Zimmermann #4  and Cabrera#5.
There won't be anymore signings of FA Starting Pitchers. What do you think?

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Re: Daniel Cabrera is a Nat!!!
« Reply #99 on: December 23, 2008, 09:24:30 am »
Does anybody know if Cabrera has passed his physical?