Plan "B"

[tomterp]

You could give him defensive incentives.

There is actually some good news regarding his defense in left field - he's not the worst.  Ibanez, followed by Burrell, are considered the two worst left fielders in 2008 per John Dewan, who writes the "Fielder's Bible".  Dunn simply can't compare to these masters of the art.

[spidernat]

Another thing to consider is that since being called up to the majors in 2001, Dunn's teams have played approximately 1200 games and he has missed only about 70 of those games.    He has had normal days off here and there (very few actually) but seems to be quite durable. I'm not sure what happened in mid August of '03 but he was shut down or at least didn't play in the final 45 or so games of that season but I don't think he went on the DL. We have players on our team who routinely miss 70 games per season. He has gone over 7 seasons missing only 70.

[tomterp]

Another thing to consider is that since being called up to the majors in 2001, Dunn's teams have played approximately 1200 games and he has missed only about 70.    He has had normal days off here and there but seems to be quite durable. I'm not sure what happened in mid August of '03 but he was shut down or at least didn't play in the final 45 or so games of that season but I don't think he went on the DL. We have players on our team who routinely miss 70 games per season. He has gone over 7 seasons missing only 70.

Maybe then he doesn't fit our profile.

[spidernat]

Maybe then he doesn't fit our profile.

Maybe that's the reason why some people are opposed to Dunn. 

[natsfan4evr]

Maybe that's the reason why some people are opposed to Dunn. 

Oh no! We wouldn't want someone that we could pencil in to the lineup every day.
I have yet to see a major downside to Dunn. Posters like sportsfan and Minty keep trying to convince me to change my mind, but it hasn't worked yet.

[HalfSmokes]

Maybe then he doesn't fit our profile.

Maybe the FO doesn't really want him - kills our best excuse for loosing, hurts our perferred method of seeing young guys play, and hurts our ability to break our own DL record.

[PANatsFan]

This is the crux of my argument.  I care about winning games.  Dunn will "improve" the offense and make them watchable. 

I could care less if this team hits a single homerun all season long.  If we WIN GAMES, I am happy.  I don't believe Dunn helps us win games - talk about WARP all you want.  Obviously, Dunn is better than Kory Casto, but he's not better than other options that could be available right now. 

Way to poop all over a hilarious post about WAKC (Wins Against Kory Casto). You guys are like the Flat Earth Society.

[hammondsnats]

Ken Rosenthal says Dunn would be a good fit for the Dodgers, for two years/$25 million. 

He said while we may not be the most ideal landing spot, if we also got O-Dog (who shares the same agent w/ Dunn), it could be an attractive team.  He says other rebuilding clubs are more unappealing. 

The Nats could and should easily beat that type of ballpark figure.  Start with:

Two years/$28 million
or
Three years/$41 million 

[HalfSmokes]

Ken Rosenthal says Dunn would be a good fit for the Dodgers, for two years/$25 million. 

He said while we may not be the most ideal landing spot, if we also got O-Dog (who shares the same agent w/ Dunn), it could be an attractive team.  He says other rebuilding clubs are more unappealing. 

The Nats could and should easily beat that type of ballpark figure.  Start with:

Two years/$28 million
or
Three years/$41 million 

Does anyone know what a standard playoff share is?

[blue911]

Another thing to consider is that since being called up to the majors in 2001, Dunn's teams have played approximately 1200 games and he has missed only about 70 of those games.    He has had normal days off here and there (very few actually) but seems to be quite durable. I'm not sure what happened in mid August of '03 but he was shut down or at least didn't play in the final 45 or so games of that season but I don't think he went on the DL. We have players on our team who routinely miss 70 games per season. He has gone over 7 seasons missing only 70.

He went on the DL with a sprained thumb.They probably didn't hurray him back because they sucked and were too busy firing managers (they had three that year).


http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20030816&content_id=485255&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

[PANatsFan]

He went on the DL with a sprained thumb.They probably didn't hurray him back because they sucked and were too busy firing managers (they had three that year).


http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20030816&content_id=485255&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

He sprained it hitching a ride trying to get the hell out of there

[blue911]

Does anyone know what a standard playoff share is?

ARTICLE X—World Series, League Championship Series
and Division Series Players’ Pool
A. Creation of Pool
One Players’ pool shall be created from the World Series, the two
League Championship Series and the four Division Series. Contributions
shall be made into the pool as follows:
(1) 60% of the total gate receipts from the first 4 World Series
games;
(2) 60% of the total gate receipts from the first 4 games of each
League Championship Series; and
(3) 60% of the total gate receipts from the first 3 games (4 if the
Division Series is expanded to the best of 7 games) of each Division
Series.
B. Distribution of Pool
The Players’ pool shall be distributed to the Players, by Club, as
follows:
World Series Winner . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 36%
World Series Loser. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24%
League Championship Series Losers (2). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24%
Division Series Losers (4). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12%
Non-Wild Card Second Place Teams (4). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4%
Distribution of the Players’ pool shall be made to the Players within 30
days after the completion of the World Series, unless for good cause
the Parties agree to extend the period.

[PANatsFan]

ARTICLE X—World Series, League Championship Series
and Division Series Players’ Pool
A. Creation of Pool
One Players’ pool shall be created from the World Series, the two
League Championship Series and the four Division Series. Contributions
shall be made into the pool as follows:
(1) 60% of the total gate receipts from the first 4 World Series
games;
(2) 60% of the total gate receipts from the first 4 games of each
League Championship Series; and
(3) 60% of the total gate receipts from the first 3 games (4 if the
Division Series is expanded to the best of 7 games) of each Division
Series.
B. Distribution of Pool
The Players’ pool shall be distributed to the Players, by Club, as
follows:
World Series Winner . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 36%
World Series Loser. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24%
League Championship Series Losers (2). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24%
Division Series Losers (4). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12%
Non-Wild Card Second Place Teams (4). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4%
Distribution of the Players’ pool shall be made to the Players within 30
days after the completion of the World Series, unless for good cause
the Parties agree to extend the period.

The owners must love long series!

[NatsAddict]

I'm not sure what happened in mid August of '03 but he was shut down or at least didn't play in the final 45 or so games of that season but I don't think he went on the DL.

He was on the 15-day DL with a thumb injury and missed 41 games.  That is is only time on the DL, and he only ever missed 6 other games due to injury, all at the end of 2007 due to a knee injury.

[natsfan4evr]

Dunn and Hudson have the same agent? We can kill two birds with one stone this way. This makes it a lot easier to communicate.

[blue911]

Does anyone know what a standard playoff share is?

Last year the Phillies full share paid $351K or slightly more than Alex Rodriguez makes in two games.

[spidernat]

He went on the DL with a sprained thumb.They probably didn't hurray him back because they sucked and were too busy firing managers (they had three that year).


http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20030816&content_id=485255&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

He was on the 15-day DL with a thumb injury and missed 41 games.  That is is only time on the DL, and he only ever missed 6 other games due to injury, all at the end of 2007 due to a knee injury.

Good find guys. I didn't know that last part about the knee. Still, missing around 70 games in over 7 years is decent. We have players who feel overworked and underpaid if they don't miss at least that many games in one season.

He sprained it hitching a ride trying to get the hell out of there

Kearns and Lopez were crushed when they were shipped out of town. 

[HalfSmokes]

Last year the Phillies full share paid $351K or slightly more than Alex Rodriguez makes in two games.

I was just wondering if that would the the difference in a contract, guess not. There is a lesson, winning does not in fact pay (at least not as much as free agency or arbitration)

[blue911]

I was just wondering if that would the the difference in a contract, guess not. There is a lesson, winning does not in fact pay (at least not as much as free agency or arbitration)

The best deal is to finish second but miss the playoffs. Those guys get around $10K for doing squat.

[PANatsFan]

Kearns and Lopez were crushed when they were shipped out of town. 

I remember the press picture where they both looked like the bully took their lunch money.

[DCFan]

I remember the press picture where they both looked like the bully took their lunch money.

Or POW's on parade for the folks back home.

[HalfSmokes]

I remember the press picture where they both looked like the bully took their lunch money.

Do you know how much money the trade cost both of them? They went from the great american smallpark to RFK. A few more years in cicny could have helped a lot in free agency

[hammondsnats]

Do you know how much money the trade cost both of them? They went from the great american smallpark to RFK. A few more years in cicny could have helped a lot in free agency

Or they went from one crappy team to another

[sportsfan882]

Dunn isn't going to go for an incentive oriented contract, why should he?  You can't get a more steady, reliable production out of any free agent out there than Dunn.  4 consecutive years of 40 HR is as steady as it gets.

Dunn's position is, you know what you're getting, so pay for it. 

OK good. If he wants anything more than 2 years I'd tell him "no thanks". Same with Orlando Hudson.

[hammondsnats]

OK good. If he wants anything more than 2 years I'd tell him "no thanks". Same with Orlando Hudson.

SAY HELLO TO ANOTHER 102 LOSS SEASON!!!