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Offline PatsNats28

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2300 on: December 18, 2008, 04:13:19 pm »
I don't mind that he doesn't like playing baseball... just because people dream of playing it, doesn't mean he has to enjoy doing it. Everyone has their thing... but as long as he is professional about it, and does his job, I'm fine.

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2301 on: December 18, 2008, 04:16:01 pm »
That's fine. But the strikeout stat is MEANINGLESS.

no one else finds this statement absurd? i don't care how you twist or turn it, striking out a guaranteed 160+ times a season is not meaningless. Dunn has almost achieved 200 freaking strikeouts a season.

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2302 on: December 18, 2008, 04:17:33 pm »
no one else finds this statement absurd? i don't care how you twist or turn it, striking out a guaranteed 160+ times a season is not meaningless. Dunn has almost achieved 200 freaking strikeouts a season.

You kinda took it out of context... strikeouts do have meaning, but they count the same as a ground out to third base, or a pop up at short, or a fly ball to center. Harping on the fact that he strikes out a lot is stupid because he still produces quite a bit.

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2303 on: December 18, 2008, 04:18:34 pm »
no one else finds this statement absurd? i don't care how you twist or turn it, striking out a guaranteed 160+ times a season is not meaningless. Dunn has almost achieved 200 freaking strikeouts a season.

Its better than a groundout or a flyout that doesn't advance the runners. His strikeouts aren't because he swings at everything like Howard, they're becasue he works pitch counts (something not enough guys on this team do).

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2304 on: December 18, 2008, 04:18:43 pm »
http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=241177&lid=sublink01&lpos=headlines_mlb

Dunn never said any of that. Ricciardi tried to apologize but Dunn wouldn't have it. Jerk.

http://www.mlb.com/content/printer_friendly/cin/y2008/m06/d20/c2968544.jsp

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On Wednesday, during his radio show in Toronto, Ricciardi was talking to a caller who wanted the Blue Jays to acquire Dunn. Ricciardi took several took several shots at Dunn, saying, among other things, that he "doesn't have a passion to play the game that much.

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"It's my fault. I take full responsibility for it," Ricciardi told The Toronto Globe and Mail. "I tried to get Adam's phone number from the Reds ... and if he wants to talk to me, I'll talk to him and apologize personally. But I apologize to him and the Reds. I need to be better than that. I let my guard down."

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2305 on: December 18, 2008, 04:20:37 pm »
I don't understand how Dunn doesn't enjoy playing baseball?  I'm kinda ticked he said that because it's always going to be in the back of my mind. 


 :bang: :bang: :hang: :nono: :doh:

Stop repeating s#$t that doesn't have a morsel of truth to it.  Dunn has never said anything of the kind, and you will not find any credible news source that quotes him saying such, not even implying it.

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2306 on: December 18, 2008, 04:23:03 pm »
no one else finds this statement absurd? i don't care how you twist or turn it, striking out a guaranteed 160+ times a season is not meaningless. Dunn has almost achieved 200 freaking strikeouts a season.

I'll try this once only. Forget OBP, lets go back 30 years in terms of stats.

Take batting average. Ted Williams was the last guy to hit .400. That means, for each plate appearance that was a hit or an out, Williams got out 6 out of 10 times. Some were strikeouts, pop ups, foul tips, grounders, double plays. Baseball is a game of failure. Out of 500 plate appearances, that's 300 outs that aren't sacrifices. If 160 of them are strikeouts, frankly, who gives a crap. They don't advance runners, but they aren't DP's either.

The best thing you can do is fail the right way. If you hit a sac fly or a sac bunt, that's a productive failure, so it doesn't count against your average (again, stats 30 years ago).

If you strike out with bases loaded, it's a hell of a lot better than a double play with 1 out. It's the same as a pop up with 2 outs. You have to take your understanding beyond the 3rd grade level.

One modification:

Hitting 4th and walking 100 times, no way Dunn gets to 500 appearances, so strikeouts are most of his outs.

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2307 on: December 18, 2008, 04:25:41 pm »
http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=241177&lid=sublink01&lpos=headlines_mlb

Dunn never said any of that. Ricciardi tried to apologize but Dunn wouldn't have it. Jerk.

http://www.mlb.com/content/printer_friendly/cin/y2008/m06/d20/c2968544.jsp


Well that is better...although I wonder if there's still some basis to what Ricciardi said. Clearly he shouldn't have said what he said publicly, and that's why he apologized about it...but that doesn't mean there's no truth to what he said.

I'd be shocked if a GM said something like that about a player without a reason. Again, he shouldn't have said it, but it still raises eyebrows a bit. 

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2308 on: December 18, 2008, 04:27:15 pm »
that's right riccardi did come back and retracted his comments.  i totally forgot.  i like it how dunn said "I know nothing about this clown. I have no idea who he is."

hey lay off tt! it was a long, losing season of baseball that i am trying to forget (including what happened with other teams) 8)

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2309 on: December 18, 2008, 04:31:26 pm »
that's right riccardi did come back and retracted his comments.  i totally forgot.  i like it how dunn said "I know nothing about this clown. I have no idea who he is."

hey lay off tt! it was a long, losing season of baseball that i am trying to forget (including what happened with other teams) 8)

Ok, I've calmed down now.   :P

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2310 on: December 18, 2008, 04:33:44 pm »
no one else finds this statement absurd? i don't care how you twist or turn it, striking out a guaranteed 160+ times a season is not meaningless. Dunn has almost achieved 200 freaking strikeouts a season.

Going by their '08 stats, Dukes and Dunn were pretty close in K numbers. In 517 ABs, Dunn struck out 164 times. In 276 ABs, Dukes struck out 79 times. At that rate, if Dukes had gotten to 517 ABs, he would have struck out 148 times. So unless you start ripping Dukes for the same thing, STFU.

And this:

I'll try this once only. Forget OBP, lets go back 30 years in terms of stats.

Take batting average. Ted Williams was the last guy to hit .400. That means, for each plate appearance that was a hit or an out, Williams got out 6 out of 10 times. Some were strikeouts, pop ups, foul tips, grounders, double plays. Baseball is a game of failure. Out of 500 plate appearances, that's 300 outs that aren't sacrifices. If 160 of them are strikeouts, frankly, who gives a crap. They don't advance runners, but they aren't DP's either.

The best thing you can do is fail the right way. If you hit a sac fly or a sac bunt, that's a productive failure, so it doesn't count against your average (again, stats 30 years ago).

If you strike out with bases loaded, it's a hell of a lot better than a double play with 1 out. It's the same as a pop up with 2 outs. You have to take your understanding beyond the 3rd grade level.

One modification:

Hitting 4th and walking 100 times, no way Dunn gets to 500 appearances, so strikeouts are most of his outs.

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2311 on: December 18, 2008, 05:13:52 pm »
no one else finds this statement absurd? i don't care how you twist or turn it, striking out a guaranteed 160+ times a season is not meaningless. Dunn has almost achieved 200 freaking strikeouts a season.

You shouldn't talk trash when the love of your life has never approached the numbers that Dunn regularly puts up each season. Come back when Dukes plays a full season and we'll compare their stats.

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2312 on: December 18, 2008, 05:14:13 pm »
Going by their '08 stats, Dukes and Dunn were pretty close in K numbers. In 517 ABs, Dunn struck out 164 times. In 276 ABs, Dukes struck out 79 times. At that rate, if Dukes had gotten to 517 ABs, he would have struck out 148 times. So unless you start ripping Dukes for the same thing, STFU.




let's hear it AZ.

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2313 on: December 18, 2008, 05:19:13 pm »
I'm not diggin' all this Dunn chatter in the Tex thread. Come on fellas...we're still in this thing. I'm not even thinking about Dunn until I see Tex wearing someone else's ball cap.

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2314 on: December 18, 2008, 05:20:50 pm »
I'm not diggin' all this Dunn chatter in the Tex thread. Come on fellas...we're still in this thing. I'm not even thinking about Dunn until I see Tex wearing someone else's ball cap.

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2315 on: December 18, 2008, 05:24:45 pm »
I'm not diggin' all this Dunn chatter in the Tex thread. Come on fellas...we're still in this thing. I'm not even thinking about Dunn until I see Tex wearing someone else's ball cap.

Around 2300 posts about Tex in this thread and you're complaining? :lol:

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2316 on: December 18, 2008, 05:26:44 pm »
So what happens if a thread gets to 100 pages? Does the board splode?

Offline Natskins

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2317 on: December 18, 2008, 05:28:33 pm »
Around 2300 posts about Tex in this thread and you're complaining? :lol:
Seemed like some folks were starting to discuss the terms of their surrender. I just wanted to nip that in the bud. :)

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2318 on: December 18, 2008, 05:34:39 pm »
let's hear it AZ.

148 strikeouts < 164 strikeouts. Dukes strikeout numbers will decline as he matures as a hitter and flourishes into the most feared hitter in baseball.

You shouldn't talk trash when the love of your life has never approached the numbers that Dunn regularly puts up each season. Come back when Dukes plays a full season and we'll compare their stats.

i look forward to coming back and comparing their stats when Dukes hits 40+ homers, makes his all-star debut, is the hr derby champ, breakout player of the yr, all while batting .280+, stealing bases, and playing stellar defense (three things Dunn could never dream of doing). i would never even compare the two anyways because they are totally different players. one is the complete package and a 5-tool force, and the other is a 1 tool overrated bum. Dukes is superior to Dunn as a baseball player.

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2319 on: December 18, 2008, 05:37:03 pm »
148 strikeouts < 164 strikeouts. Dukes strikeout numbers will decline as he matures as a hitter and flourishes into the most feared hitter in baseball.


You know what? At times like these, AZ's humor is a refeshing change of pace. I have to admit this made me chuckle.

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2320 on: December 18, 2008, 05:45:23 pm »
148 strikeouts < 164 strikeouts. Dukes strikeout numbers will decline as he matures as a hitter and flourishes into the most feared hitter in baseball.


I see.

so Dukes striking out a ton = ok.

anyone else striking out a tone = the worst player in the history of baseball.

got it.

The AZ Rule:  If Elijah Dukes does something, it is the most magnificent thing ever to be done in the history of baseball.  If someone else does the exact same thing, he's a horrible waste of a baseball player.

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2321 on: December 18, 2008, 05:52:15 pm »
148 strikeouts < 164 strikeouts. Dukes strikeout numbers will decline as he matures as a hitter and flourishes into the most feared hitter in baseball.
Did you know Dunn only grounded into 7 DP's last year compared to Duke's 10 in more than double the plate appearances?

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2322 on: December 18, 2008, 05:52:33 pm »
I see.

so Dukes striking out a ton = ok.

anyone else striking out a tone = the worst player in the history of baseball.

got it.

The AZ Rule:  If Elijah Dukes does something, it is the most magnificent thing ever to be done in the history of baseball.  If someone else does the exact same thing, he's a horrible waste of a baseball player.

nope. Dukes WOULD HAVE (it's not even certain) struck out 148 times in the same # of at bats as Dunn who struck out 164 times. simple math says 148 < 164.

also, it can't be ignored that Dukes is only 24 and will improve as a hitter. Dunn has no room for improvement. he is and always will be an overrated one tool bum vs Dukes who is a flourishing 5 tool phenom.

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2323 on: December 18, 2008, 05:54:58 pm »
:bang: :bang: :hang: :nono: :doh:

Stop repeating s#$t that doesn't have a morsel of truth to it.  Dunn has never said anything of the kind, and you will not find any credible news source that quotes him saying such, not even implying it.
It's true. He has no passion for the game and is so lackadaisical. Any Red fan or player will tell you the same thing.

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Re: Tex and the Nats...
« Reply #2324 on: December 18, 2008, 06:02:44 pm »
It looks like the Red Sox got him.

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BOSTON -- The Boston Red Sox may be close to signing Mark Teixeira, the premiere free agent available this off-season.

SportsCenter 5's Mike Lynch reported that team owner John Henry, CEO Larry Lucchino and General Manager Theo Epstein were in Texas Thursday evening meeting with Teixeira's agent Scott Boras.

Lynch reported the Red Sox were offering an 8-year contract with an annual salary of $23 million.

The Red Sox were hoping to close the deal Thursday night or Friday morning, Lynch said.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/sports/18311921/detail.html