Tex and the Nats...

[HalfSmokes]

OBP and Power for on

but what if we signed Tex, a FA Pitcher, and 2 Top 10 draft picks?  is there something wrong with that, PA?

cause I don't see any measure in which Dunn is a better option than Tex here. Dunn is the consolation prize.

at the 10 year 200 mill mark it would almost definately mean no FA pitcher and even though the budgets for the draft is seperate, butdegts can be shifted to accomidate large expendatures elsewhere. I would love to get Tex and would tradeoff not getting any pitching and not signing Strassburg, but that is a possibility.

[hammondsnats]

So how is Tex going to singlehandedly lead this team to not sucking next season? Considering the amount of holes we have.

As I said ... step in the right direction.  Adding a bat of his caliber, protects our other hitters - Zimmerman/Dukes/Flores - and instead of leaving Guzman/Milledge on base as much as we did last season, we'll have a guy capable of driving runs in. 

[MrMadison]

Look, I'm just trying to argue the other side of this, as people are totally obsessed with Mark Teixiera for some reason. There's lots of paths to go down, that's all I'm saying.

well that's a poor way to argue it then.  because signing Tex does not mean we don't sign our draft picks and we don't acquire anything else.

people are "obsessed" with Tex because he is simply the best option for what this team needs right now.

the obsession with Tex is no different than the god-worship of Adam Dunn. except that Tex is simply a better player in virtually all respects.

[PANatsFan]

but what if we signed Tex, a FA Pitcher, and 2 Top 10 draft picks?  is there something wrong with that, PA?

cause I don't see any measure in which Dunn is a better option than Tex here. Dunn is the consolation prize.

That's possible - but it would be a remarkable departure from past procedures. The problem with Tex is being stuck eating 80 millions dollars down the road for a washed up 1B.

I cannot believe Hammonds "I have Lerners are Cheap tattooed on my forehead" Nats thinks there is a separate budget for draft picks. Everything reported about mid market teams, even the Diamondbacks who blews tons of money on Johnson, says that multiple 1st round picks have to be taken into account in the overall budget.

[MrMadison]

OBP and Power for one

I already broke this down.

over a 162-game average, Dunn hits a whopping 4 more HRs than Tex, and has a HUMONGOUS .003 lead in OBP.

Dunn is sooooooooo much better than Tex. 

now, I'll say again, I won't MIND getting Dunn if we make a legitimate offer to Tex and he refuses.  But I think we need to pursue Tex as much as possible, and then if that doesn't work out, we get Dunn.

[Nat of the Living Dead]

he won't.  I hope nobody is under the impression that he will. and neither will Dunn, despite the god-worship he gets around these parts.

but either is a step in the right direction. Tex is a larger step in that direction than Dunn is though, imo. 

I think if we have a legitimiate chance at landing Tex, then we should go all out for it. that's all I'm saying.  I don't buy into the Dunn-worship.

Right now every team has legit chances to sign Tex. Whether they go for it, that is another story. I believe the Nats will go for it, but will fall short because of Tex himself, not because the team did or didn't do something.

But to believe that this is a "crossroads" in Nationals History and thinking this guy not signing with us will crush this team is pouring it on a little thick.

[sportsfan882]

But to believe that this is a "crossroads" in Nationals History and thinking this guy not signing with us will crush this team is pouring it on a little thick.

It's craziness.  :stupid:

Why don't we forget about Teixeira and focus on players that we have a realistic chance at acquiring?

[MrMadison]

But to believe that this is a "crossroads" in Nationals History and thinking this guy not signing with us will crush this team is pouring it on a little thick.

that's not what I think at all.

if we don't sign Tex, life'll move on. we'll sign Dunn, he'll play here until Rhinehart or Marrero makes him expendable, and then he'll leave.

[MrMadison]

It's craziness.  :stupid:

Why don't we forget about Teixeira and focus on players that we have a realistic chance at acquiring?

aka nobody. right? another season of Belliard and Casto a 1B ftw. yeah!

I don't understand what's so damn wrong about trying to be even slightly a little bit positive about anything here.  I'm as realistic as anyone here, but you sportsfan..you aren't realistic. you are negative to the point of depression.

until the offers get made, we've got as good a realistic chance as anyone.

once the money starts hitting the table, then we can be "realistic".

[hammondsnats]

That's possible - but it would be a remarkable departure from past procedures. The problem with Tex is being stuck eating 80 millions dollars down the road for a washed up 1B.

I cannot believe Hammonds "I have Lerners are Cheap tattooed on my forehead" Nats thinks there is a separate budget for draft picks. Everything reported about mid market teams, even the Diamondbacks who blews tons of money on Johnson, says that multiple 1st round picks have to be taken into account in the overall budget.

I don't like tattoos but that's what I'd get. 

Oh and signing a marquee FA will not deter them from signing Strasburg/10th pick. 

[hammondsnats]

aka nobody. right? another season of Belliard and Casto a 1B ftw. yeah!

we can try bernadina there.  or let's throw speigner out there and give him a try.  after all we're playing ronnie baseball and kory out of position. 

[HalfSmokes]

I don't like tattoos but that's what I'd get. 

Oh and signing a marquee FA will not deter them from signing Strasburg/10th pick. 

Why not, do they not have a budget? Will Strasburg agree to less because tex is making 20 million a year?

[PANatsFan]

I don't like tattoos but that's what I'd get. 

Oh and signing a marquee FA will not deter them from signing Strasburg/10th pick. 

Cognative dissonance at its finest!

[DPMOmaha]

he won't.  I hope nobody is under the impression that he will. and neither will Dunn, despite the god-worship he gets around these parts.

but either is a step in the right direction. Tex is a larger step in that direction than Dunn is though, imo. 

I think if we have a legitimiate chance at landing Tex, then we should go all out for it. that's all I'm saying.  I don't buy into the Dunn-worship.

Just cutting the injury problems in half from last year would be a big step too.  Adding a Dunn/Tex to a healthy(ier) lineup would do a lot to improving the on-field results in a hurry.

[PANatsFan]

Why not, do they not have a budget? Will Strasburg agree to less because tex is making 20 million a year?

He drank Kool-aid and ate Peerios this morning to achieve his fugue state - give him a break

[hammondsnats]

Cognative dissonance at its finest!

haha, but really i liked the tattoo line that was a good one. 

and halfsmokes, strasburg is still going to get paid top dollar.  i really feel that IF the nats were to land teixeira, it won't affect how much strasburg gets come payday.  let's just all agree to disagree on this (like most topics on here haha).

[MrMadison]

ok, I just have to ask.

what is so god damn special about Adam Dunn?

he brings walks and HRs. and that's all he does. he's below average in the field, he's a one-dimensional "all-or-nothing" type hitter that will hit HRs...if he can actually manage to make contact.  he's Pete Incaviglia mixed with Brad Wilkerson.

so what is so damn special about him?  I mean, sure I'll be happy if he signs here. but I just don't get why everyone venerates him as an elite player.

[Nat of the Living Dead]

that's not what I think at all.

if we don't sign Tex, life'll move on. we'll sign Dunn, he'll play here until Rhinehart or Marrero makes him expendable, and then he'll leave.

I don't think you think that either. It's just someone posted that this is a "determiner" in Nationals History when it really isn't. Would I love to sign him? Hell yeah. But if we don't, the team isn't going to just fold and do nothing.

It's like you have been saying, there are other options. Tex would be gold, but not signing him is not the end of the world. It just makes things more challenging.

[PANatsFan]

haha, but really i liked the tattoo line that was a good one. 

and halfsmokes, strasburg is still going to get paid top dollar.  i really feel that IF the nats were to land teixeira, it won't affect how much strasburg gets come payday.  let's just all agree to disagree on this (like most topics on here haha).

You know I'm just stirring things up right? It's not like I run out and buy a Braves jersey if we sign Tex (maybe a Tex Braves jersey )

I just think that people discount Dunn for no good reason (maybe because Kearns and Lopez played like turds)

[sportsfan882]

aka nobody. right? another season of Belliard and Casto a 1B ftw. yeah!

I don't understand what's so damn wrong about trying to be even slightly a little bit positive about anything here.  I'm as realistic as anyone here, but you sportsfan..you aren't realistic. you are negative to the point of depression.

until the offers get made, we've got as good a realistic chance as anyone.

once the money starts hitting the table, then we can be "realistic".

Just because I say we have no chance of Teixeira doesn't mean I think we won't look at other more affordable and realistic options. Even though I'm Anti-Dunn I think they have a decent shot at grabbing him. They could possibly get O-dog and maybe a starter or reliever too.

[sportsfan882]

ok, I just have to ask.

what is so god damn special about Adam Dunn?

he brings walks and HRs. and that's all he does. he's below average in the field, he's a one-dimensional "all-or-nothing" type hitter that will hit HRs...if he can actually manage to make contact.  he's Pete Incaviglia mixed with Brad Wilkerson.

so what is so damn special about him?  I mean, sure I'll be happy if he signs here. but I just don't get why everyone venerates him as an elite player.

The only people that put him on a pedestal are BP nerds that jack off to VORP ratings and other stuff like that.

Dunn is a one tool player and he is not a player that is going to turn any franchise around. He is a losing player and is not the guy we need on this team. We need someone who knows how to win to help rub off on the rest of our players and breed a new attitude on this team.

[hammondsnats]

You know I'm just stirring things up right? It's not like I run out and buy a Braves jersey if we sign Tex (maybe a Tex Braves jersey )

I just think that people discount Dunn for no good reason (maybe because Kearns and Lopez played like turds)

Haha I know someone who has a Braves Teixeira jersey, not much use out of that thing anymore!

And I like Dunn.  I probably shouldn't have said he'd be our consolation prize if we fail to get Teixeira because he does hit bombs and drive in runs, it's just I think MT is a more complete player.  Either way I'd be happy with either one and it sends a message we're spending money, looking to get better.

[PANatsFan]

ok, I just have to ask.

what is so god damn special about Adam Dunn?

he brings walks and HRs. and that's all he does. he's below average in the field, he's a one-dimensional "all-or-nothing" type hitter that will hit HRs...if he can actually manage to make contact.  he's Pete Incaviglia mixed with Brad Wilkerson.

so what is so damn special about him?

WTF else should he do. DP's kill - end of story - small ball sucks - I'm not interested in his bunting skills - he strikes out because he is selective, but also likes to crush the ball. A strikeout is only 1 out, not as productive as a sacrifice, but the same as a pop out or a weak grounder. Would you rather have Dunn or a slap hitter up with bases loaded? It's not even close.

He will see a million pitches like Wilkerson did, but when he connects, it won't be a warning track shot, it'll be out of the damn stadium. A walk and a single are almost identical, except a runner on 1st can't go 1st-to-3rd. But he won't get tagged out on a walk EVER. And he hits doubles too - you might have him confused with Jack Cust.

[PANatsFan]

The only people that put him on a pedestal are BP nerds that jack off to VORP ratings and other stuff like that.

Dunn is a one tool player and he is not a player that is going to turn any franchise around. He is a losing player and is not the guy we need on this team. We need someone who knows how to win to help rub off on the rest of our players and breed a new attitude on this team.

Haha this is such a load - Manny's happy attitude hasn't gotten us jack - neither did Boone playing for the team his dad works for, or Chad Cordero's charity work

We need a GD power hitter from the left side who gets on base all time. That's it. And a guy who can scoop grounders at 1st and throw 1st-to-3rd. Completeness be damned, I don't care how fast he runs the bases - he'll be driving in AHern and Milledge who can go.

[sportsfan882]

WTF else should he do. DP's kill - end of story - small ball sucks - I'm not interested in his bunting skills - he strikes out because he is selective, but also likes to crush the ball. A strikeout is only 1 out, not as productive as a sacrifice, but the same as a pop out or a weak grounder. Would you rather have Dunn or a slap hitter up with bases loaded? It's not even close.

He will see a million pitches like Wilkerson did, but when he connects, it won't be a warning track shot, it'll be out of the damn stadium. A walk and a single are almost identical, except a runner on 1st can't go 1st-to-3rd. But he won't get tagged out on a walk EVER. And he hits doubles too - you might have him confused with Jack Cust.

Far from the case. Runners on 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs, what does a walk accomplish?  Better than an out for sure but a single scores 2 runs.

Hits > Walks every single time.